NASA Moonwalker claims alien cover-up

[Andy44]

Buzz's description of the object having different shapes at different times seems consistent with an object that is rotating, as the SLA panels would be doing.

I have met people like Mitchell: dedicated professionals who are very good at what they do, but who nevertheless believe wierd things. NASA's screening process cannot keep people like this off the roster without getting excessively intrusive; they are just people, after all.

 

[Moonwalker]

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Any reference?

I found it somewhere on the web. It was recorded during an earlier mission. Maybe I can find it again...

 

[John_L]

You have to remember some differences in space: The lack of an atmosphere makes it impossible to estimate distances correctly.

Atmosphere? You don't need atmosphere to judge distances, you need binocular vision and another object of known size (for reference) to judge distance. Even without a reference object, it's still possible to rule out that something is NOT 6000 miles away. So the call down to get the position of the SIV-B did rule out the SIV-B as the object that they were looking at. Atmosphere or not, the human eye is pretty poor at judging distances much beyond 90 feet or so too, but again, the extreme distance between the SIV-B and CSM/LM definately ruled out the SIV-B. As big as the SIV-B is, at 6000 miles, it would likely not be visible, or if it was it would look like a dot in the telescope at 6000 miles.

 

[Urwumpe]

Atmosphere? You don't need atmosphere to judge distances, you need binocular vision...

You do know that binocular vision is limited to only about 20m? From that distance on, you rely on known reference objects and other experiences to estimate the distance of objects.

 

[Andy44]

People rely on haziness and size in context a lot more than you think to judge distance. If you look at a distant object with one eye closed, you can still approximate it's distance. Not so in a vacuum.

The astronauts on the Moon had problems walking up to crater rims and the edges of rills because they would not tell they were looking at the opposite side or not, and feared they might fall in.

 

[John_L]

Didn't Mitchell get sued by NASA because he performed an unauthorized "telepathic" experiment with a friend on the ground during TEC on Apollo 14?

Why would NASA sue him for conducting an experiment on the side that obviously would require no physical steps, or likely even time (he probably did them just at bedtime or so when he was 'free' to conduct the experiment. Did a quick web search, found nothing about NASA suing Mitchell over anything, probably another myth.

About 11: In several books I read claims that there is a bit of communication between Neil and Houston which had been deleted from the public recordings. According to the books, Neil spoke his famous first words and then said something in the sense of: "Oh my god, there are other spacecraft. They are sitting on the surface in a great circle around us."

Nope, Neil says nothing about other spacecraft being around the LM, besides, don't you think that they would have seen them as they landed, or directly after landing?? (There are windows on a LM.) Directly after saying his famous line, he proceeded to talk about the depth of the impressions his boot made on the lunar surface, and the consistency of the sand. Sorry, no missed-until-after-stepping-off-the-LEM comments about spacecraft all around the lander. Watch the films, particularly the video shot from inside the LM by Buzz, as there's one camera and no camera cuts or edits. Also a number of 3rd party entities monitored the moon missions, so a deletion of 'public records' is entirely not possible. The Russians, the British and the Australians all recorded the raw transmissions which were not encrypted in any way.

Furthermore, during the EVA a bright light shall have shown up and hovered above the two. Buzz then filmed it with a video camera. From the description it sounded like he was using a camcorder. Hm. The crazy thing is, that a camcorder was not part of the EVA gear (at least I don't know of any carried by any landing crew).

Camcorder? There was no such thing in 1969. However, the dolts who think up this stupid garbage are too stupid to realize that. The Apollo 11 moon landing had two television cameras. One was carried in the command module, and the other was mounted (upside down actually) in the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), in Quad 4 of the Lunar Module. After Landing, and capturing Neil's 'first step' onto the lunar surface, (and Buzz's subsequent egress), the camera was removed from the MESA and mounted on a tripod and carried away from the LM to show the progress of the EVA. The cameras used on Apollo 11 were built by Westinghouse, had a resolution of approx. 220x220, 10 frames per second, black and white, and operated using a bandwidth of 409.6 kHz. It had a vidicon tube (not a ccd imager as a camcorder does), and recorded nothing, rather, it transmitted television images that were relayed back to earth using analog FM transmission. 'Camcorders' by comparison have ccd imagers and record to tape (analog) or more commonly today, digital recording to flash memory, as well as capture the images, use standard NTSC standards. What people fail to realize is that the technology that enables modern camcorders was developed to get us to the moon, and it wasn't until a few years after the moon landings that CCD imaging technology as well as IC had progressed to the point where we could have camcorders, not only for future space exploration, but for the average Joe as well.

 

[Piet Barber]

Has anybody done an Apollo 11 re-enactment in Orbiter to see if any part of the SIV-b was cruising along at a reasonable distance from the Apollo command module? If reasonable care was taken to get the TLI done correctly, and the separation of the command module from the SIV-b at the right time, shouldn't this at least make the theory plausible? (I don't recall if any of Orbiter's Apollo modules have separating panels from the SIV-b or not). (I usually stick with the Delta Gliders).

 

[Urwumpe]

Has anybody done an Apollo 11 re-enactment in Orbiter to see if any part of the SIV-b was cruising along at a reasonable distance from the Apollo command module?

I had done so with AMSO, and while they had not been visible in Orbiter, the distance was close enough to be thinkable as explanation. But it was no exact recreation of the trajectory.

 

[Piet Barber]

was it 6000 nautical miles away?

 

[eveningsky339]

I would need to see hard evidence before I begin to buy into this. I do accept it as a remote possibility.

 

[Urwumpe]

was it 6000 nautical miles away?

More like 1800 NM.

 

[Andy44]

The Apollo 11 sighting was covered on "Moonshot" last night, as well.

 

[John_L]

The Apollo 11 sighting was covered on "Moonshot" last night, as well.

That it was, but they sort of glossed over Mike Collins attempt at getting a better image with the telescope, so it's difficult to use a TV movie (which was quite good btw), as any sort of evidence.

 

[Moonwalker]

Based on what the Apollo 11 crew had seen through the telescope: neither the SLA panels, nor the S-IVB looks "L-shaped" anyway

We'll never know what they saw, 4 decades ago. Space is a huge environment. It could have been anything and nothing. For sure it was something simple and explainable. But I personally don't think it is something of importance to know what it was.

 

[XLR82SPACE]

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[tl8]

The good thing about a forum, is that you can link to this documentation

 

[Hielor]

Why all the sceptic nonsence going on? All the mystery, and wonder.
Why do folks take the time to worder, argue and debate UFO issues??
Its the government people, "Big brother".

Claims of government coverup? Check.

If there's one constant with real secret projects, it's leaks.

You say oh no, here we go again with another weirdo conspirator? Am I? No I'm not. I just do my homework, know extinsive history, know alot of folks up the line, and know what most of the general public doesn't know, and where to look for things open to the public.

Assertion that the author has access to knowledge not generally available to the public? Check.

Like the "REX 84 Program", or "Operation Cable Spicer", or "Operation Garden Plot", what about "Project Blue Beam" going on and being tested as we speak?? Look them up for yourself, then tell me I'm nuts.

Reference to several supposedly real programs for which there is no actual proof of their existence? Check.

Referring to known conspiracy theories in an attempt to prove veracity is not the best plan.

UFO's do exist, thats how all of the Roswell, and Area 51, Groom Lake, Nevada issues all got its start. It -was- covered up at first. Why? Do you not remember Sputnik, Do you not remember the first World War, or the space race with Russia, its all history and fact folks. All of the answers are there, just got to know how to put it all together useing fact available to the public that most does not now exist or how to obtain.

Claiming the answer is obvious if people just open their eyes? Check.

If the answer was that obvious, it would be more widley known.

A UFO did crash in Roswell, Warner Von Braun was one of its inventors. Why do you think the U.S. had him come over and help with the space race. The man knew to much and ran for his life.

Incorrect history? Check.

Well, er, actually, no...the Gestapo captured him due to suspicion of being a traitor, but then released him so he could continue to work on the V-2. He and his staff surrendered in 1945 to the Americans because the Soviet Union wasn't known for its good treatment of POWs.

Adolf Hitler had formed the SS not to keep political order but to be one of the first and earliest stages of KGB. Why? He was working on differant types of propulsion, trying to be on top. He come up with a backwards field of magnatism, that most scientists today will tell you it works but defies all laws of physics and don't really know or understand why. Hitler put this propulsion into a " new ship", there were several differant sizes. Don't remember exact capabilities right off, but the last one planed and they got larger. It had a crew of 30, could stay in the air for 14 days, could reach minimun LEO, and had velocity at that time that could do what modern military jets do. This started back in the 40's. Look this all up for yourselves. They were secretly refered to as "HAUNEBU" Google it! I'm not crazy, I just read and study and gather facts. This is true and all history. Not only documentation to support it, but also photos. All can be found on the web. So yes UFOs existed and the modern day government has had almost 70 years to improve it.

Claims that myths are true? Check.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

If the Nazis had such technology...why did they lose the war?

Please, I would suggest that YOU do some research, on reputable sites.

 

[Zachstar]

Lets keep it simple. If Aliens exist they do not give a damn about us. They let wars and fammine happen when their tech could be adapted to move us forward.

Let me tell you something the "Prime Directive" is all fine and dandy when you sit on a spacecraft that has all the tech you need to survive and thrive for centuries but not so for the innocent people killed in the war you are watching from above.

 

[XLR82SPACE]

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[Kaito]

I been there seen it, done it, ever held a human being, someones child in your arms looking at you calling out for there momma with a sucking chest wound while you see them take there last breath.

I commend you for that

No body wins war, nobody. War is a chess game for political parties, look at Nam. World War 2, we won that war because of stratagy

Correct me if i'm wrong...didn't we LOSE Vietnam? Horribly?

Both parties were victims.

Yes, this is true. Happens with EVERY war

Since you mention it, technology, yes they did have all the technology, they had the first jets, rockets, satellites, I could go on and on.

Wasnt the first satellite sputnik, launched by Russia?

Whats the point? We just happen to "persuade" "Warner Von Braun" one of the brightest people of that era, to just "conveinantly" leave his lavished lifestyle to come here and beat his own at something he started 20 years earlier???

No, he decided to come over here because Hitler woulda killed him otherwise. and Von Braun wasn't interested in war. All he REALLY wanted to do was go to the moon.

Most doesn't care.

exactly

Oh, and yes sir projects leak all the time look at Watergate, and Iran Contra Affair and many more I could name right down to your own city hall.

Do it, I'd love to hear what's been happening in the bubble of my town

YOU said I asserted that I had knowledge not generally available to the public, not I.

uh...

and know what most of the general public doesn't know,

Yeah, you did say that...

those programs are real, most in affect as we speak, and will soon directly involve you and your family before you know it.

WILL a top-secret UFO project effect me tomorrow if its revealed to the world? I doubt it

All your Von Braun history is almost verbaitem of what I had in my school history books. You must of aced that test but thats not how it went. You know some religions swear up and down that the Hollicost never happed too, but we both know thats wrong.

I'm failing to see the connection of those two.

If you did not want to take a friendly reply on an open forum for what it was worth and you didn't like it, why reply.

Um...it seems to be a habit here.

Abe Lincoln was a Christain fellow so we render him a saint, but Abe Lincoln comited every thing Hitler did.

Different times, different ethics, different time period. You cant compare the two...

You could have replyed without trying to butcher me.

That is true, and i'm not butchering you, i'm just trying to break down what I find is either false, or needs clarification.