We're being outnumbered

[Ghostrider]

zit ridden gingers who think that cross checking class notes with a bottlegoggled curly haired boy with serious posture problems is the second base

Even the rise of Cthulhu would be an improvement on that.

 

[PennyBlack]

I like this thread and agree, we are doomed. But why.?

Here's my pennys worth...

The amount of ill educated, ignorant and bad mannered kids popping out more kids around me is because our government pays for them. This is creating a sty of my country. It's so easy to sit on welfare with an attitude of "the state will pay, the state must pay, it's my god given right to get free money" that's it's perpetuating social stagnation in many areas. It's officially recognised, areas of the country that are welfare blackspots with welfare payments that span generations of a given family. When they are expected to seek employment to evade the welfare trap, they expect jobs that pay top dollar, even for basic labour to make getting off the back sides worth while. They see no need for their kids to bother as they to can sit on welfare when they turn of age. And they think the state is also solely responsible for thier kids education and when they fail exams because parents couldn't be bothered to get involved, they blame the state for their own inactivity. They don't want a nanny state, but want the benifits of one and as soon as something in the country goes wrong, it's gimmie gimmie gimmie.

I've seen this for years and see no end to it. We are doomed. Stupidity along with greed, imorality and ignorance is driving us backwards and seems to be the norm, accepted practice.

But. this is one reason why we are breeding stupid people in Britain.

(And this from a guy who spells corporation, corperation.) :facepalm:

 

[Grover]

the problem is:

idiots cant help but have 6+ kids

intelligent folk have the concience to only have 1-2 children, so they dont add to the population crisis

were living in an age that is raqpidly turning its attitude to:
"someone clever will develop my technology, i just have to learn to work it, not make it"

and thats good for sales and turning the economy over, but in the end, nobody will make the technology, and nobody wil know better than relying on somebody else

[/RANT]

--==EDIT==--
though i would like to add:

thans for assuming that the psople on the forum are the intelligent minority, but you missed one key fact:

aside from my cynical academic intelligence, i lack the most basic form of intelligence: Common Sense
theres a reason i use the word Misfire in my identity thing under my name...

 

[Jarvitä]

Wow, this degenerated into yet another overpopulation thread on the second page already.

Consider this: Even if, studies and peer-reviewed papers to the contrary, "smart" people are in fact being outbred and outnumbered by "stupid" people, the fact remains that there are far more "geniuses" than there ever were in the history of mankind, and the average person has a better standard of education every year. What matters is the total number of scientists, not the ratio between people elitists consider smart and people elitists consider dumb.
One day, not long from now (in geological terms), our population will be counted in trillions, and even then, a single brilliant person will still have the power to make discoveries and produce inventions every bit as world-changing as today. If anything, knowledge and science will be valued more and more as it advances so far as to be incomprehensible magic to the average person.
And I don't say that because I support the "retards are outbreeding us" theory in any way, it's a simple fact that as science advances, the full understanding of any current technological innovation requires an ever deeper and wider, polymathic understanding of the sciences, and eventually it reaches a point where no single human can comprehend how ordinary everyday objects work. We've already reached that point with our computing devices, and as technology progresses, more and more stuff will fall into this cathegory.

 

[tblaxland]

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[tblaxland]

Thread re-opened.

If you wish to participate in the discussion, please do so in a constructive manner - use reasoned and substantive arguments, and be polite and respectful.

 

[PennyBlack]

That was a clever post Jarvita and wager your in the 10% bracket. Have a ticket to the bunker do we... (pulls back the hammer on the revolver)​

 

[RichWall]

There is always the 10 to 1 plan to consider.....:hmm:

 

[Evil_Onyx]

I would like to see some of the "Smart" people operate/use some of the equipment that "Stupid" people operate/use in their work day.

In my view the proportion of smart to stupid people on this little rock we call home is probably the same now as it has been historically. All that has changed is that in todays global communications environment it is a lot easier for all (smart, stupid and everyone else) people to communicate their views and opinions. In the past (even recent past) its has only been the social elite and educated men (predominantly) that have been able to publish books, write newspaper articles and generally make people change their views.

I have seen supposedly smart people do remarkably stupid things.
I used to work at a Paint ball site near where i live at weekends as a marshal. We had to tell our customers about the safety equipment we provided, we made shore all of the customers knew Three simple rules for a safe and fun day of shooting the heck out of one another,
rule 1 : Never take off your mask under any circumstance. ( removing your mask and getting shot in the face could result in loss of your eye, loss of eyesight, broken jaw's and broken teeth)
rule 2 : If you hear a wisle stop shooting and point your marker at the ground.
rule 3 : Do what ever a marshal tells you to do, its for your own safety.

I found that the stereotypical "smart" people who came and played where more likely to brake rule 1. but the stereotypical "stupid" people would brake rule 3 more often.


So ask your self this question "How do you define who is smart or stupid?" i cant answer it, can you?

 

[iamwearingpants]

I see smart as 3 things:

1. Communication, spreading knowledge
2. Application, using knowledge
3. Aggregation, getting knowledge

Being normal is having normal marks across the board.
Being smart is doing 2 or more of those things well
Being stupid is being all below average.

People with mental disabilities are unbalanced, they may have below normal communication and application skills, but awesome aggregation skills, or other combos like that.

That's how I define 'smart'
I came up with the whole thing, but I'm sure someone has created something similar.


I don't see any kind of degradation in the minds of people, the dumb ones are just more noticeable, so when you sight the societal smartness you count some new people you didn't see before. (Woo!, alliteration!)

 

[fireballs619]

I see smart as 3 things:

1. Communication, spreading knowledge
2. Application, using knowledge
3. Aggregation, getting knowledge

Being normal is having normal marks across the board.
Being smart is doing 2 or more of those things well
Being stupid is being all below average.

People with mental disabilities are unbalanced, they may have below normal communication and application skills, but awesome aggregation skills, or other combos like that.

That's how I define 'smart'
I came up with the whole thing, but I'm sure someone has created something similar.

But what do you define as 'doing well'? Really, judging intelligence is arbitrary from the person doing the judging. To quote Einstein

Everyone is a genius but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will spend its whole life believing it is stupid.

 

[iamwearingpants]

But what do you define as 'doing well'?

Doing well as in what? That's a little vague.

Doing well could be physical and mental health, how much you're worth, your social/political/economic power...

Really, judging intelligence is arbitrary from the person doing the judging. To quote Einstein

And, we'll never get past that. There will always be perspective and personal bias involved.

 

[Urwumpe]

I know that I am in a bad position here with my views, but I consider it deeply ironic, if the smartest idea, that self-declared smart people have for solving humanity's problems, is simply committing a genocide on 90% of the population.

 

[PennyBlack]

I know a bloke that cannot read or write. His numeracy is non existent. But he fixes cars on my estate. He fabricates parts from scraps and many times I've watched him work, being impressed with his problem solving. So I can see the difference in how I measure intellect. Quite bias really. But he's also been a very good burgler by all account. How he used his intellect to get into little strong holds with coathangers and such amazed me. But not so clever as not to get caught, time after time. So how clever is he really.

But that's not the point. The point being that what I lack, others have. Mutual co-operation and application makes us all smart. As one, so to speak.

 

[iamwearingpants]

I know that I am in a bad position here with my views, but I consider it deeply ironic, if the smartest idea, that self-declared smart people have for solving humanity's problems, is simply committing a genocide on 90% of the population.

I don't think that's smart.

I would rather slowly smarten the dumb people by making smartness appeal to them.

 

[fireballs619]

Doing well as in what? That's a little vague. .

I was referring to your post where you said 'smart' would be doing well in two of the categories you listed. How does one determine who is doing well and who is not? Who gets to determine that?

I feel as though actually labeling someone as smart makes them more inclined to do well in studies or intellectual endeavors. I seem to recall an experiment that had to do with discrimination, wherein a teacher told half of her class that they were 'dumber' due to their eye color, while those with a different eye color where smarter. While this experiment was meant to show how pointless discrimination is, it also showed something interesting. The students who were told they were dumber actually showed a decrease in academic ability! Just by being told they were dumber actually made them more inclined to be dumber! (I'll try to find a link, but I've had trouble).

This presents an interesting effect. Students who show aptitude for learning early on initially get put into 'accelerated classes', while those who are lacking in that aptitude get put in the remedial classes. Now, both of these groups are stuck in a rut- the accelerated students, thinking that they are smarter, continue to be smart, while the remedial students are the exact opposite! The 'dumb' students get labeled as dumb and treated as such before they actually have a chance to show that they are smart. I now ponder how many 'dumb' people are actually averagely intelligent, but are victims of a bad education system...

 

[ky]

Also I claim (wildly) that many people you call stupid today, have actually skills that prove the opposite. Such people maybe make tasteless comments on youtube, but do them with their smart phone while driving home from work in the train.

You don't need to be really stupid, just to make stupid acts.

Your reminding me of that Geico insurance commercial of people using smart phones for stupid things lol.

 

[PennyBlack]

Unfortunatly, smartness has expectation. If your talking education, it is wasted without the oppertunity to use it in practice. People are motivated, unless in the welfare trap, to get smart to earn more money. That's the only appeal people see, the only appeal they are targetted with and the more smart people you have, the lower the gain when those exclusive positions can be filled with another souped up minion.

Education, skill learning, it's hardly done for non profit, personal improvement.

 

[JEL]

with donald trump as president.

He's not running. He said that shortly after Obama showed his birth-certificate.

 

[tblaxland]

Now, both of these groups are stuck in a rut- the accelerated students, thinking that they are smarter, continue to be smart, while the remedial students are the exact opposite! The 'dumb' students get labeled as dumb and treated as such before they actually have a chance to show that they are smart.

Having "smart" students in accelerated classes often has a detrimental effect also. Eventually they'll fail some test, feel dumb, and then start behaving like it.

I now ponder how many 'dumb' people are actually averagely intelligent, but are victims of a bad education system...

Institutionalised educational systems are a real problem due to their inability to adapt to the individual needs of students (not all systems, mind you, just many). Such educational systems can be of benefit when used in harmony with committed parents/guardians/mentors that are prepared to provide the required flexibility, but who can afford the time in a modern dual full-time income family?

Education, skill learning, it's hardly done for non profit, personal improvement.

So why am I attempting (rather clumsily) to learn French? Or learning to write PHP/MySQL/JavaScript? None of those will help me earn more money.