News Recession: NBER says what all Americans knew

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If your logic was right, Zimbabwe would be the richest country in the world, with all over 150,000% inflation per year. Guess how much money must be flowing and be invested into that country - oh how much excess liquidity this country must have - they could buy us all.

After all, it is a country which can pay 100,000 whatevertheycallit for a single bread.
 
Zimbabwe is not a rich country.
It is just deficitary.
Deficitary economy creates excess of demand that creates inflationary pressures.
Poverty is by itself a state of deficit for citizens who are not able to satisfy their needs.

When you have high liquidity, and that liquidity is spent in a single or few markets, prices go up. If prices go up and people are poor, it means someone else is spending, and someone else is getting that money.

A good example is Venezuela during the time of skyrocketed prices.
You have 30% of poverty there and 27% of inflation and petrodollars that increased liquidity. Evidently the money was spent by the government and it was not reaching population.

Deficit in different sectors of economy determine different macroeconomical variables.
Inflation is not necessarily a reflection of "richness" (with the medieval definition people use) but a measure of liquidity in certain markets, and it is an interesting indicator to track where money is being spent. It is specially interesting where you have no situation of debt and still you have inflation, like Venezuela, which paid its debt and still has inflation.

You are assuming a trickle down effect, where companies or governments get money and make their people "rich". Unfortunately trickle down effect is not very common in the world.

The model I just showed you is very useful to see what sectors are deficitary and what macroeconomical variables could be affected. For example, trade deficit pushes towards devaluation (promoting exports and discouraging imports), overall excess of demand in the national level pushes towards inflation in the short term and then deflation. Government deficit pushes foreign debt markets and depending on world debt, rates could go up, bond prices could go down, etc... Citizen deficit or company deficit normally would push local interest rates up. However inflation could also be pushed up if devaluation caused imported raw materials of foreign goods to increase price. Interest rates could have inflationary effect as it may encourage deficitary behavior and create artificial inflation in a recessive economy.

The problem of IMF and World bank model is that it assumed a trickle down effect, and the results of the model were recessive. And of course you have the effect of fear that destroys economy.

Inflation and the reason for such inflation, as well as where jobs are lost tells you about a structure of international money flow.
 
The model I just showed you is very useful to see what sectors are deficitary and what macroeconomical variables could be affected. For example, trade deficit pushes towards devaluation (promoting exports and discouraging imports), overall excess of demand in the national level pushes towards inflation in the short term and then deflation. Government deficit pushes foreign debt markets and depending on world debt, rates could go up, bond prices could go down, etc... Citizen deficit or company deficit normally would push local interest rates up. However inflation could also be pushed up if devaluation caused imported raw materials of foreign goods to increase price. Interest rates could have inflationary effect as it may encourage deficitary behavior and create artificial inflation in a recessive economy.

The problem of IMF and World bank model is that it assumed a trickle down effect, and the results of the model were recessive. And of course you have the effect of fear that destroys economy.

Actually, you just highlight, that neither you nor the people, you claim to cheer your solution, have understood economics. The model you presented, takes macroeconomic summary values (poverty percentage, inflation) and then deduct something random for microeconomic factors. Of course, when you just take a new country, your logic explodes again. The economic models used by the IMF are expected to work for all countries - even for Zimbabwe, which, other than you claim, still has an economy. A bad and ineffective one. But it still follows their models and their predictions.

Fear DOES destroy economy. That is a fact, you can't deny. Economics depend on trust. If you don't trust somebody, you don't invest into him, don't buy his products and don't sell to him. If you fear that the customer you plan to sell something, might not be able to pay the product, you don't risk selling and make loss.

That is a real observation - and not some sort of Marxian hypothetical hypothesis.
 
The IMF/World Bank models tried to bring excess of demand of markets to zero, and eliminating deficitary behavior as much as possible. This is how they imposed budgetary constraints to countries during reforms. But the model did not include citizen as they assumed a trickle down effect.

Plus they added some extra "non quantifiable" requirements like open markets, deregulation and other ideological things.

Since people did not exist and trickle down did not happen, what they did was to pass all deficits to citizens. That resulted in recessive economies in the decade of failed reforms.

In countries like Zimbabwe you can't pass any more deficit to people. With minimal needs of humans for survival, illnesses, and almost no income, deficit is maximized. All the money that would go to many markets of goods is going to less markets and cause inflation and those markets of goods that get no money are just absent, so you have excess of liquidity in certain markets and inexistent markets for other goods and services.

Understanding the implications of the model with the new sector and no trickle down brings very interesting new elements to understand what will happen to an economy.

Fear DOES destroy economy. That is a fact, you can't deny. Economics depend on trust. If you don't trust somebody, you don't invest into him, don't buy his products and don't sell to him. If you fear that the customer you plan to sell something, might not be able to pay the product, you don't risk selling and make loss.

Exactly what I have been saying all this time. Fear makes recession worse. Yellow journalism of US media creates fear.

Fear cause americans to go to war with the emotional 9/11 emotional trauma, it makes americans to buy weapons to feel safe, it caused Bush to win during reelection in 2004, fear must get high ratings nowadays... but they forget that media relies on advertising, and since it is not something people need to survive, if they continue producing fear, they will run out of sponsors.

Short term rating? Or long term survival of press business? This is the decision american media will have to make.

In my country, when credit crunch started, I advised some journalists about the effect of fear, since we had a case of a bank which almost broke because a malicious false rumor spread about it being in bankruptcy, some years ago. Fear caused it. And I advised them not to cause fear and that helped a lot to keep stability here.

This is a very small country, and those who you see on TV, you often see where you go. It is like a small town. Any ambasador here could tell you the same.
 
Plus they added some extra "non quantifiable" requirements like open markets, deregulation and other ideological things.

And again...
 
There are a few things you're missing. Liquidity =/= having money or wealth. Liquidity is the ability to exchange the assets you do have for something else, be it money or something else. Usually money is about as liquid as something can get.

In general, banks, even foreign banks do not reduce liquidity, neither do trade deficits. Microeconomiclly the money you put in a bank is 100% accessible. Once you get over several million dollars Macroeconomics kicks in. That money isn't just sitting there. The financial institution loans the money.

A loan's liquidity is variable, it depends if anybody wants to purchase that loan from you at a price you're willing to sell at. A year ago a sub prime (risky) mortgage was just as liquid as cash on hand. Now, nobody wants to buy them without a large markdown. The banks are not willing to sell their asset at a loss, so they're holding onto those mortgages.

Because they're not trading their mortgages, they can't exchange it for something else. The liquidity of sub prime mortgages is reduced to almost nil. Banks and other financial institutions are unable to do anything with a sizable percentage of their assets.

How does liquidity relate to inflation? Liquidity =/= inflation. With high inflation its beneficial to have more liquid assets. Why? inflation means that the actual worth of those loans you made, along with the money in your bank account will be less. So you would want to change your assets to ones that will increase in value relative to inflation. If there is almost no inflation, it doesn't matter where your assets are much, their value is what is expected; the only worry is if your assets are liquid enough to be exchanged when you need them. Changes in inflation change the demanded assets, liquidity makes changing your assets easier.
 
As dead as anything which was once declared dead?
 
No. Just no.

Please study a bit more about economics, before you post. It is not about saving the car industry by all necessary means.

It is about saving the suppliers. Who have little to do with the errors from Detriot...

The car manufacturers are just the biggest wheel in the gear.
 
No. Just no.

Please study a bit more about economics, before you post. It is not about saving the car industry by all necessary means.

It is about saving the suppliers. Who have little to do with the errors from Detriot...

The car manufacturers are just the biggest wheel in the gear.

Please study a bit more about the world, before you post.
Many workers from suppliers of the car industry are in Mexico.
 
Please study a bit more about the world, before you post.
Many workers from suppliers of the car industry are in Mexico.

Please check your facts: They are not.

The Mexican car industry is centered around the lovely city of Puebla... guess which company is there...
 
Christmas presents done. I did my patriotic duty for the economy this year. ;)
 
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