Great, now I'm depressed

Nothing like coming to an Orbiterhead forum for girl advice! LOL

One woman engineer I worked with told me once that if you're a guy, you're not supposed to understand girls. She said that if you do it means you're probably gay. Her words, not mine.

Don't get all dogfaced at getting shot down. Happens all the time. Find the humor in it and move on. Use Rick Ocasek as inspiration. If he can land such a hottie and hang onto her for so many years in a celebrity world, there's hope for us Orbiter dorks yet!
 
Linguofreak, I don't think we're in disagreement over anything really... Perhaps get over it and move on sounds a bit sudden, but i don't mean that you can just snap your fingers and get over it internally, thats for sure... but y'know being with someone else who does like you can do wonders for self esteem (of which, unrequited love can be very draining) even if you don't like them as much as you do that other girl at first.

Of course it's possible that you can be so obsessed that no one else could possibly matter to you, a pretty dangerous place to be.

If you're currently in that situation then i'd recommend getting out of it asap. that kind of thing can be very destructive for a person, and prevents forming real relationships... which are way better than ones conducted in your head, no matter how great you might think that person is.

And don't forget that if you're in that state for a long time then you've put them on a huge, unrealistic pedestal of worship and they really aren't as great as you think.
 
About the "obsolete" comment, made me thnk of this. One of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes:

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And, no, having such knowledge of things like this hasn't helped my social life, in case you were wondering.
 
Warning. 11 PM post:

I have had some more thoughts on this matter. Not speaking from personal experience (mainly due to a lack of it), two people will probably only find each other attractive based upon little than their genetic compatibility. Love is to me hardly seems based on things like soul mates or finding things you have in common. Talk about how optimistic people always say that there is someone out there that is right for them may seem nice, but do you really think that other person is going to want you in return? Probably not.

When I was in high school, I used to have a "friend" (using the term loosely) who seemed more interested in a girl's breasts and butt. Yet, he was the one that seemed to go through girlfriends like tissues. Some might like to say that girls enjoy being treated poorly (although I really hope that is not true). Of course the more I got to know him, the bigger a*****e he turned out to be until I was trying to avoid him as much as possible in the last months of my senior year. So how did he get girls? I still do not know. But, I guess the simple fact of the matter is that life is not fair.

And then you have me. I would like to think I was a nice guy, but that is really no substitute for being genetic garbage and socially awkward. Not too awkward, mind you, but concentrating too hard on school work is awkward enough. I have never had a girlfriend for even one minute of my life. Although, it did seem that all of the girls were taken (likely because I went to a technical high school and the ratio of males to females was not equal).

There were people who made empty promises or I guess they liked pulling my leg with claims that they would "hook me up" with someone, but that obviously never came to fruition. I guess it is also kind of socially awkward for me (and one or two of my closest friends) to have never known what it is like to kiss a girl while others were loosing their virginity and I was running home to do homework and play Orbiter. But I think it is important to not let these things get to you.

Like I said in an earlier post, since I graduated from high school, I have not talked to a girl my age.

It is now 11:25 PM. Once I get home from work tommorrow, I will probably see this and say to myself, "No more 11 PM posts!" :lol:
 
Warning. 11 PM post:

I have had some more thoughts on this matter. Not speaking from personal experience (mainly due to a lack of it), two people will probably only find each other attractive based upon little than their genetic compatibility. Love is to me hardly seems based on things like soul mates or finding things you have in common. Talk about how optimistic people always say that there is someone out there that is right for them may seem nice, but do you really think that other person is going to want you in return? Probably not.

When I was in high school, I used to have a "friend" (using the term loosely) who seemed more interested in a girl's breasts and butt. Yet, he was the one that seemed to go through girlfriends like tissues. Some might like to say that girls enjoy being treated poorly (although I really hope that is not true). Of course the more I got to know him, the bigger a*****e he turned out to be until I was trying to avoid him as much as possible in the last months of my senior year. So how did he get girls? I still do not know. But, I guess the simple fact of the matter is that life is not fair.

And then you have me. I would like to think I was a nice guy, but that is really no substitute for being genetic garbage and socially awkward. Not too awkward, mind you, but concentrating too hard on school work is awkward enough. I have never had a girlfriend for even one minute of my life. Although, it did seem that all of the girls were taken (likely because I went to a technical high school and the ratio of males to females was not equal).

There were people who made empty promises or I guess they liked pulling my leg with claims that they would "hook me up" with someone, but that obviously never came to fruition. I guess it is also kind of socially awkward for me (and one or two of my closest friends) to have never known what it is like to kiss a girl while others were loosing their virginity and I was running home to do homework and play Orbiter. But I think it is important to not let these things get to you.

Like I said in an earlier post, since I graduated from high school, I have not talked to a girl my age.

It is now 11:25 PM. Once I get home from work tommorrow, I will probably see this and say to myself, "No more 11 PM posts!" :lol:

I used to feel very similar to that. Luckily reality is very different. The girls you're looking for are not the ones that your 'friend' dates. You will need to come out of your shell and look around to find them, but they exist.

Oh, and I suggest changing your member subtitle to something more positive. Putting downers on yourself doesn't help very much.

The genetically inferior stuff is a load of crap. So what if you're not built like a NFL football player. If you haven't seen Fight Club, see it.
 
Warning. 11 PM post:

I have had some more thoughts on this matter. Not speaking from personal experience (mainly due to a lack of it), two people will probably only find each other attractive based upon little than their genetic compatibility. Love is to me hardly seems based on things like soul mates or finding things you have in common. Talk about how optimistic people always say that there is someone out there that is right for them may seem nice, but do you really think that other person is going to want you in return? Probably not.

You're kinda right, Initial attraction is physical, it is based on how you look and if someone else likes that... remember everyone likes something different though... so don't worry too much that you don't look like someone else who ploughs through women like your average orbinaut ploughs through MFD addons.

It is important to make the most of what you've got though.

When I was in high school, I used to have a "friend" (using the term loosely) who seemed more interested in a girl's breasts and butt. Yet, he was the one that seemed to go through girlfriends like tissues. Some might like to say that girls enjoy being treated poorly (although I really hope that is not true). Of course the more I got to know him, the bigger a*****e he turned out to be until I was trying to avoid him as much as possible in the last months of my senior year. So how did he get girls? I still do not know. But, I guess the simple fact of the matter is that life is not fair.

And then you have me. I would like to think I was a nice guy, but that is really no substitute for being genetic garbage and socially awkward. Not too awkward, mind you, but concentrating too hard on school work is awkward enough. I have never had a girlfriend for even one minute of my life. Although, it did seem that all of the girls were taken (likely because I went to a technical high school and the ratio of males to females was not equal).


It's not fair at all, but you do have some power over it, you have to try and skew the results in your favour... sounds like you had a very competetive environment at your school though.

Problem is, no one likes a nice guy, well, very few... i don't mean go out of your way to be nasty, or disrespectful, but "nice" can often come over as desperate, needy, trying too hard, fake, subserviant, or any number of things that will actually put a woman off after 20 mins of getting to know you. So, simply put you might find yourself being too nice in an effort to please, rather than being yourself and more objective about her. And from there its all too easy to end up in the friend trap or bore her / creep her out so she doesn't even want to hang around with you.

There were people who made empty promises or I guess they liked pulling my leg with claims that they would "hook me up" with someone, but that obviously never came to fruition. I guess it is also kind of socially awkward for me (and one or two of my closest friends) to have never known what it is like to kiss a girl while others were loosing their virginity and I was running home to do homework and play Orbiter. But I think it is important to not let these things get to you.

No one can "hook you up" with someone... best you can hope for is an introduction, and perhaps some talking up from your friend beforehand... though i'd recommend you forget that last part. Basically, you're on your own with finding someone... if you want it done right, do it yourself eh?;) of course having as large a group of friends as possible helps, since through them you can meet more people (and if they already have girlfriends then so much the better - less competition, their girlfriends probably have some single mates, etc).

If you just haven't got that type of group or aren't comfortable at parties and aren't very social, you can find other ways to meet people... the internet is a great tool for finding anything, even real women who are looking for someone themselves. Then there's educational courses (perhaps try something creative, and i don't mean arc welding, or c++ coding, but you never know), self defense classes, the gym, paintballing... all fun in their own right (ok the gym sucks and it has that 'gym' smell but it'll make you look better) and they just importantly provide great ways to meet people and extend your social circle.

Like I said in an earlier post, since I graduated from high school, I have not talked to a girl my age.

Thats not good... How long ago did you graduate?
 
thats called being a player :lol:

PS: again sorry if i was rude and mean i was only trying to make a joke

Actually not. If you are really a friend, there is no chance to defraud.

If you have friends that are female, not only are you half way there to understanding their needs, but the other half is covered in that you have female friends that will tell you honestly if you are blowing it.:cheers:
 
Girls are not as predictable as videogames.

This actually made me laugh, best comment ever.

It's good she dissed you, she would have been in the way, when a better one comes around.

This chap has a point.

Don't worry about girls, what happens happens, and what doesn't doesn't. I think many people take this whole dating thing way too seriously. Just remember, it's supposed to be fun! You're supposed to enjoy yourself.
 
Simonpro makes a very good point. I met someone last year who has a lot of the same interests as I do and a similar sense of humour. Going out with her was very easy, even when I was late meeting her one evening due to problems at work she didn't moan or complain but accepted it as just part of working in IT from time to time.

I'd spent 15 years looking for the "ideal" girl only to trip over here when I wasn't actually looking. It's working out so well that we are getting married in 2009.

The best things happen when you aren't looking for them.
 
Today was crap. I waited a week to get a reply from a girl I like on whether or not she would be my girl friend, then got a "I'm sorry, I don't think so."
Just noticed this.
Never, ever, EVER ask a girl out via email or SMS. Just don't do it.
That will put her off instantly as she'll assume you don't really care that much. Asking in person or, in extreme cases, in a telephone conversation is always better.

I'd spent 15 years looking for the "ideal" girl only to trip over here when I wasn't actually looking. It's working out so well that we are getting married in 2009.
Congrats, Gary! That's superb news :)
 
Problem with that is it takes awhile, and usually lots of money, to train the female to that point.

Even more, it requires the capability to run really fast in the moment she gets aware of this. ;)
 
Just noticed this.
Never, ever, EVER ask a girl out via email or SMS. Just don't do it.
That will put her off instantly as she'll assume you don't really care that much. Asking in person or, in extreme cases, in a telephone conversation is always better.

Exactly. Ask in person, put on some cologne, bring something (flowers or some small gift). Don't be embarassed if you bumble up, women find it cute (sometimes) if men show up all self-assured and then break down in front of them.
Then again, you have to remember that the female of the species was created by God in his "guys, you have seen nothing YET" moment.;)
 
:censored: this is a good thread. I feel like my life has just been described by other people here, so I guess most orbinauts are the same kind of people, also when it comes to girls.

There is something that kept me thinking: is there a relationship between the effort you need to put into making a girl interested in you, and the effort you need to put into keeping her interested? In other words, if you want a stable relationship, does it make sense to wait for the girl with who the lift-off goes almost automatically?

I'm not really experienced with this, and in fact I'm still single, but suppose we describe this to a rocket launch: if being rejected is so common, is there a way to make sure the failure modes are not so incredibly fatal? Is there a way to make a psychological / social escape rocket?
 
I'm not really experienced with this, and in fact I'm still single, but suppose we describe this to a rocket launch: if being rejected is so common, is there a way to make sure the failure modes are not so incredibly fatal? Is there a way to make a psychological / social escape rocket?
Yeah, don't take it all so seriously and have some more confidence in yourself. Rejection hurts most when you feel the need to define yourself by the target of your affections. Often it is also that same need that will be so unattractive. So, you need to accept yourself first before anyone else will.
 
It wasn't her, just some ramdom troll

So you are going to lose your peace because of an internet troll?
It is easy to type anything when you are anonymous.
Some people in the net are good, some are really dangerous, so the best advise is not to share personal data.
Unless the guy who writes is Al Capone, I would not be too concerned.

So the guy has your email.
I bet that if he was before you, face to face, he would behave like a craven, a coward.
Probably he likes the girl too.

If two guys engage in a fist fight, that gives a chance to a third one to go and bring flowers to her. You bet who gets the girl...:lol: So rule numer one. Do not fight for a girl, she is big enough to decide.

If she does not want you, find another one. There are millions of women. Literally. If she wants you, she will become the one. You may want to make the relationship to grow.

Once I was going to marry, I thought she was the love of my life, more than 10 years ago, and she was unfaithful. It hurts a lot and felt really really bad as I never felt, and I got several months of very deep depression and a pneumonia and I almost died, but later I found she had a problem of ethics back then. As I got to overcome the emotions, after a few years, I got to forgive her, and then we met and I presented her the case, like an adult. She understood that what she did was not right, and that was ok for me some years ago. Today I have a loving wife, and I wished my exgf the best, a great life, as we took different paths.

Life seems a tragedy sometimes, and some situations hurt a lot. But they can be survived.
 
if being rejected is so common, is there a way to make sure the failure modes are not so incredibly fatal? Is there a way to make a psychological / social escape rocket?

Training, training, training... ;)

It depends on your mindset how you assess a failure. You have no girlfriend now and if you fail, you still have no girlfriend, so you can't loose anything, but win a lot! :)

Cheers
Tschachim
 
Training, training, training... ;)

It depends on your mindset how you assess a failure. You have no girlfriend now and if you fail, you still have no girlfriend, so you can't loose anything, but win a lot! :)

ACK! Also, being charming and charismatic can be trained as well. You just need to do it, and every time you do it, you will become more confident with yourself and learn new ways to express yourself on this level of communication.

And trust me: To flirt with a woman is not bad - it can be pretty helpful...especially if you are in the university canteen and want a bigger portion. ;)
 
I'm not really experienced with this, and in fact I'm still single, but suppose we describe this to a rocket launch: if being rejected is so common, is there a way to make sure the failure modes are not so incredibly fatal? Is there a way to make a psychological / social escape rocket?
First, don't invest very much emotion/desire whatever in the girl before you get a yes or no. Your effort should go to give her a glimpse that you're a nice, funny guy that she might want to spend time with.

Second remember that if she says no its very likely that she has reasons unrelated to you. Might be in a relationship, just got out of one, or not looking for whatever reason. I've asked out a girl and got the response: "I'm engaged."

Third, it helps to test the water before you ask her out. If you make a lame joke and she laughs or you tease her and she teases back, odds are she's interested. If she's not making eye contact or only being polite, she's not too interested.
 
I've got a piece of advice never and i mean NEVER ask your friend to ask a girl out for you as for a number of reasons

1# he'll probably screw it up and make the girl think your desperate.

2# The girl will most likely think that you don't have any self confidence

3# He'll get the real answer but tell you a fake answer, where she actually said no but your friend said she said yes so you go and find her but when you find her she walks past without a glance back then your friend feels all guilty and tells you the real answer then you feel like beating the c**p out of him for a few seconds but then falling into a depression for the rest of the day.

P.S also don't try the note swapping thing believe me it just makes things worse.
 
First, don't invest very much emotion/desire whatever in the girl before you get a yes or no. Your effort should go to give her a glimpse that you're a nice, funny guy that she might want to spend time with.

I would say the opposite.
When we are used to repression of our emotions, when we express our emotions we have problems to manage them.
Emotions are confusing, and their expression is not very accepted in our emotionless societies. But the true is that we feel. Without emotions we become robots. And when emotions come out they explode without control.

But certainly learning about our emotions is overwhelming, because to learn we need to feel them. But also we need to master them, not to use repression but mastering. It is like an untamed horse. You do not tie your horse legs, you ride on it and you tame it, so it goes wherever you want.

We usually fear a NO from a girl because of past fears of rejection. So you have your first untamed horse. If you tie and hide the horse, you will never master it.
 
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