What if spaceshuttle landed in a city? -2001:Space Oddity-

From what I've read the nose RCS make loud noises but the tail RCS cannot be heard as it's too far away from the cabin and the sound is damped before traveling the length of the airframe. In fact, the astronauts say that the SSMEs cannot even be heard during launch (although some astronauts claim to hear something it's hard to say for sure).
 
From what I've read the nose RCS make loud noises but the tail RCS cannot be heard as it's too far away from the cabin and the sound is damped before traveling the length of the airframe. In fact, the astronauts say that the SSMEs cannot even be heard during launch (although some astronauts claim to hear something it's hard to say for sure).

Well, looking at the vibration plot of a Shuttle launch, the SSMEs seem to have a decent vibration level, though less strong than aerodynamics and SRBs
 
bwahhhhhaaa!!! armageddon...ha that's great.. hard scifi... .. great!

These movies are supposed to be corny and ridiculous. in fact, I find them more comical than things like spaceball or its likeness. That is just a downright waste of time.

These movies are supposed to be visual and at the edge of believability. Though a 10 year old kid would think this could happen and does happen. THEN he gets all riled up about the space program. Then he gets seriously depressed when nasa doesn't blow stuff up with lasers and there's no grandiose music when you crash land your space shuttle infront of the school gym.. bwaahahahahah! I'm gonna stop now before I get really stoopit!
 
bwahhhhhaaa!!! armageddon...ha that's great.. hard scifi... .. great!

These movies are supposed to be corny and ridiculous. in fact, I find them more comical than things like spaceball or its likeness. That is just a downright waste of time.

These movies are supposed to be visual and at the edge of believability. Though a 10 year old kid would think this could happen and does happen. THEN he gets all riled up about the space program. Then he gets seriously depressed when nasa doesn't blow stuff up with lasers and there's no grandiose music when you crash land your space shuttle infront of the school gym.. bwaahahahahah! I'm gonna stop now before I get really stoopit!

Wow, a little too much revelation about oneself, ya think?;)
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.
I like two kinds of sci-fi: Stuff that's far-fetched but doesn't claim to be realistic, and stuff that at least has some grounding in reality but asks "what if." In the second sort, one or two laws of nature are bent or broken. In the first sort, the setting is so far into the future that it's obviously not intended to be realistic.

I don't like "sci-fi" that's set in modern times and throws a large number of basic laws and logic to the wind. That's not science fiction, that's junk.

For example--the new Knight Rider series. Every episode they would do something random and stupid that didn't make sense ("audio fingerprint?" wtf?) and it all just added up. It had no respect for the intelligence of the audience.

Stargate SG-1, on the other hand, highly respected the intelligence of its audience. Sure, there was a whole lot of handwavium on the show, but at least they explained the handwavium (with more handwavium, but that's not the point). Everything had an explanation, and even if it wasn't particularly realistic, the were no glaring errors of ridiculousness that distracted from the story.
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.

I have to agree with you here, but I really hate it when people put sound in space when they don't need to. The absence of sound is one of those things that makes space so magnificient. Although I couldn't imagine Star Wars without explosions:rofl:.
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.

At least you don't think you're wasting your ticket money.

I agree with Heilor. There is "pure fantasy" (Star Wars) and there is science fiction (2001 A Space Odyssey), and then there is insultingly stupid (Armageddon, Core, Mission to Mars, Transformers, the list goes on).

If you have handwavium in the story, at least make it internally consistent. Star Trek never has a real explanation for warp drive, but at long as they present it as something futuristic and follow the rules they have made up for it, the story can move along.

Armageddon is supposed to be current-day tech. Flying around the moon, pulling Gs, docking to a rotating station with main engines burning, a station whose gravity is along the spin axis, an asteroid the size of Texas on which you only need to drill 300 ft to reach the center, these things indicate that the writers didn't even attempt to make an effort. They were just phoning it in that day.

Add to that the crappy acting, crappy story, crappy pacing, lousy music, and the presence of one Ben Affleck, who wrecks all that he touches, and you have a truly awful waste of film. Sorry.
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.


I can however distinguish between something fun and something stupid. IMHO, the fx in that clip is pretty stupid. I have no problem with the lack of reality in some sci-fi, but at least they should try harder at making it cool. I think you don't get it, if I have to pay to see a movie, it should be worth my ticket price. :rofl:

BTW, the using cattle mentality as a measuring stick for "doing something right" is a logical fallacy. ;)
 
You people can't distinguish between something fun and something real. I study Physics and I'm usually the first to notice physics errors in movies, but I still love sci-fi movies and series because they're fun to watch. I think The core and Armageddon were both fun to watch.

People put in ridiculous physics and unrealistic events into movies because it makes people excited and gets them more money. I bet they realize well enough this stuff is stupid outside of the movie, but it makes movies fun.

And hey, if they get millions of people watching their movies, then they must be doing something right. It's you guys that don't get it.

Yeah, I think you're right... Its just that I have a (perhaps irrational) hatred reaction when people disregard things I find important. Its like one of us watching a picture of Jupiter and feeling pure awe at its complexity and beauty, while another person watches it and just sees a boring dot... I get that reaction when watching these movies...
 
Not that long ago, I was chatting with a friend of mine, and he was swearing up and down that he once saw a movie where the Shuttle crash-landed in an LA drainage ditch. I told him it was absolutely ridiculous and nobody in Hollywood could even conceive of something THAT retarded and in such blatant violation of even the most basic rules of physics and spaceflight.

I stand corrected.
 
Regarding the segment from Core shown above: I didn't think an orbiter could pull up its landing gear after deploy! :)
 
Regarding the segment from Core shown above: I didn't think an orbiter could pull up its landing gear after deploy! :)

No, that is impossible, as the shuttle gear cannot be closed after opening.

As far as I know, that would be impossible for most aircraft as well, as they posess sensors to detect a landed state, and prevent the gear being raised on the ground.
 
No, that is impossible, as the shuttle gear cannot be closed after opening.
Correct--it has to be closed by ground crew.

As far as I know, that would be impossible for most aircraft as well, as they posess sensors to detect a landed state, and prevent the gear being raised on the ground.
Actually, I think the landing gear can be retracted while on the ground and there have been a few incidents involving such a problem. I couldn't find a reliable source, though.
 
I don't think so. None of the wheels retract sideways, so there would be no forces to stop it. I'm probably wrong.
 
I think most aircraft have limit-switches that close when the weight of the plane has compressed the landing gear sufficiently. The limit-switch is interlocked with the gear hydraulic controls, preventing them from being raised.
 
I think most aircraft have limit-switches that close when the weight of the plane has compressed the landing gear sufficiently. The limit-switch is interlocked with the gear hydraulic controls, preventing them from being raised.

Likely a good idea. Consider the consequences of that 'whoops, wrong switch'.... :lol:
 
The second movie waas more realsistic except for the gear being pulled back up. The concrete should have cracked. The water would have been all steam.
 
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