Project Here goes nothing: The Delta-StarLiner G42
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River Crab
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Embaer? Hm, why not? 
Moach
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Embraer does make pretty decent planes... tho i think it'll be a while before they venture out of the atmosphere 
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well... at least Brazil's had ONE astronaut in space so far... that's better than most countries, i guess:hmm:
now, i know i should be more patriotic, but i can't imagine a successful brazillian space agency... i mean, the potential for incompetence of people in general around here cannot be measured by any known amount... let alone the towering bulk of money that would be deviated, should this be even remotely connected with our less-than-honest government....
c'mon... we cant even put orselves to build a couple of football stadiums for the next cup... who are we kidding :dry:
but it's surely an interesting idea, nonetheless... all troubles aside, we do have some good advances going in the field of alternative fuels, and our aerospace industry is top-notch...
i just can't help to worry over what many delays would plague the project, and how embarrasing would be a launch that happens at T+ 6months mission time :rofl:
what i had in mind background-wise, is that this ship should be developed by some international cooperative... i didn't dwell in too many details tho... feel free to pitch in :thumbup: Embraer is a good start (they did contribute with a few pieces of the ISS -i think-)
...well... at least Brazil's had ONE astronaut in space so far... that's better than most countries, i guess:hmm:
now, i know i should be more patriotic, but i can't imagine a successful brazillian space agency... i mean, the potential for incompetence of people in general around here cannot be measured by any known amount... let alone the towering bulk of money that would be deviated, should this be even remotely connected with our less-than-honest government....
c'mon... we cant even put orselves to build a couple of football stadiums for the next cup... who are we kidding :dry:
but it's surely an interesting idea, nonetheless... all troubles aside, we do have some good advances going in the field of alternative fuels, and our aerospace industry is top-notch...
i just can't help to worry over what many delays would plague the project, and how embarrasing would be a launch that happens at T+ 6months mission time :rofl:
what i had in mind background-wise, is that this ship should be developed by some international cooperative... i didn't dwell in too many details tho... feel free to pitch in :thumbup: Embraer is a good start (they did contribute with a few pieces of the ISS -i think-)
River Crab
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Yep, Embraer is a major part of Brazil's modern aircraft industry. Someone earlier mentioned that Brazil lacks a stable space agency, but has a capable aircraft industry, so I thought of that logo. I wonder how the Starliner would look in Embraer rollout colours? :hmm:
Although, the SYSMFDs in the G42's cockpit say "NovaDyne Aerospace". Do they just make the MFDs, or what?
EDIT: Ninja'd by the man himself! XD
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Replying to that, Embraer apparently has some cooperation with China going on, as seen on their website. AEB is also cooperating with China in building and launching satellites, and with the RKA for building their cooperative orbital launcher. I guess it would have a bunch of flags on the side like the JSF, but with China involved, cooperation gets more complicated... (if my username is a hint) (no offense)
Although, the SYSMFDs in the G42's cockpit say "NovaDyne Aerospace". Do they just make the MFDs, or what?
EDIT: Ninja'd by the man himself! XD
---------- Post added at 10:27 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ----------
Replying to that, Embraer apparently has some cooperation with China going on, as seen on their website. AEB is also cooperating with China in building and launching satellites, and with the RKA for building their cooperative orbital launcher. I guess it would have a bunch of flags on the side like the JSF, but with China involved, cooperation gets more complicated... (if my username is a hint) (no offense)
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Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
yeah, i made up "NovaDyne" and figured it was a pretty cool name, so i thought of using it kinda like Doug's "Altea Aerospace"
i googled it and found there's no company under that name in the aerospace sector... there's only a british company that installs water heaters or something, which has that name, but i guess that's pretty much it....
then "NovaDyne Aerospace" would be our international amalgamation of industries that put together the Starliner... Embraer could surely be a part of that :thumbup:
whadda you say? we could use a logo :hmm:
i googled it and found there's no company under that name in the aerospace sector... there's only a british company that installs water heaters or something, which has that name, but i guess that's pretty much it....
then "NovaDyne Aerospace" would be our international amalgamation of industries that put together the Starliner... Embraer could surely be a part of that :thumbup:
whadda you say? we could use a logo :hmm:
River Crab
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I can do it! I can do it ⑨ times!:jiggy:
"NovaDyne Aerospace: The Future is Coming" :lol:
"NovaDyne Aerospace: The Future is Coming" :lol:
Izack
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"...Some Day." :rofl:
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Unfortunately, :ditto:
Eccentrus
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If only I can model a spaceship, I'll make an addon based on this picture :rofl:
NovaDyne Aerospace: it have hot baths installed in their spacecrafts :lol:
anyway, still can't wait until the project's done :hail:
may the
be with you
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
well, i think this guy would put it like: "NovaDyne Aerospace: The Future is A-Coming" :rofl:
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
well, just a generic "blah" update :blahblah:...
i've just got back on the track with my progress on the G42... nothing quite extraordinary just yet, but i did found a clever way to create the 16x16 triple-channel lookup tables for the engine operation envelopes...
before, i was writing the tables by hand... it seemed it would be easy at first, but once you do the math, even a smaller 12X12 table as 144 individual values which must be tuned for realism :blink:... quite a daunting task, i'm afraid...
so, as a programmer, i keep as a motto that "the computer works for me, and not the other way around"... thus, i opened up my trusty DXStudio and wrote me up a bitmap-to-array generator (.png, actually)
and woohoo! that was SOO much easier i can now paint the values in photoshop! and have them converted into a neatly arranged grid, which i copy-paste directly into MSVC:thumbup:
another advantage, is that by using colors, i can "paint" three tables in one, and filter out the values by the Red-Green-Blue bytes....
i haven't got around to testing it yet, but being able to visually edit the flight envelopes is something worth mentioning, i think:hmm:
and yes, i know i could have just loaded the bitmap throught code... but it was more lines to do that than it was to javascript a converter thingy in DXS
cheerz!
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right, just a quick heads-up...
we're gold again!:thumbup:
my idea paid off and i just ran a full-powered test flight of the "Vex/Magellan RT66 TurboRocket Engines" - also know as "the main engines" :lol:
the engines performed very realistically and as expected, with peak efficiency at about Mach 1.3 around 15K Alt, and entered "redzone" just over mach 3.1, 22K alt
at that point, the efficiency was so low, the G42 simply refused to accelerate any further... - exactly as i planned it! - never was i so glad to fail reaching orbit
i turned her around and dropped airspeed to reach a sustainable profile again, then took 'er back to the SLF for a powered landing, throughout which the G42 handled in a way that strongly resembled the Concorde (but with a lot more thrust)
i skidded off a bit on touchdown :embarrassed: which was kinda embarrassing... but that's ok, i managed to wrestle it back onto the centerline after a brief moment of sheer terror...
i've tuned the flight dynamics considerably since the last release... she's still a bit "ruddery", specially on T/O and landing, but nothing too bad
well... now that it's reallistically impossible to get it in orbit, in the same way it would be to do so with the Concorde - i shall begin coding for the RAMCASTER staging operations :woohoo: which is (for me, at least) a glorious milestone in development!:thumbup:
cheers! and Hail Probe!
i've just got back on the track with my progress on the G42... nothing quite extraordinary just yet, but i did found a clever way to create the 16x16 triple-channel lookup tables for the engine operation envelopes...
before, i was writing the tables by hand... it seemed it would be easy at first, but once you do the math, even a smaller 12X12 table as 144 individual values which must be tuned for realism :blink:... quite a daunting task, i'm afraid...
so, as a programmer, i keep as a motto that "the computer works for me, and not the other way around"... thus, i opened up my trusty DXStudio and wrote me up a bitmap-to-array generator (.png, actually)
and woohoo! that was SOO much easier
i can now paint the values in photoshop! and have them converted into a neatly arranged grid, which i copy-paste directly into MSVC:thumbup:another advantage, is that by using colors, i can "paint" three tables in one
, and filter out the values by the Red-Green-Blue bytes....i haven't got around to testing it yet, but being able to visually edit the flight envelopes is something worth mentioning, i think:hmm:
and yes, i know i could have just loaded the bitmap throught code... but it was more lines to do that than it was to javascript a converter thingy in DXS
cheerz!
---------- Post added 07-23-10 at 12:05 AM ---------- Previous post was 07-22-10 at 07:41 PM ----------
right, just a quick heads-up...
we're gold again!:thumbup:
my idea paid off and i just ran a full-powered test flight of the "Vex/Magellan RT66 TurboRocket Engines" - also know as "the main engines" :lol:
the engines performed very realistically and as expected, with peak efficiency at about Mach 1.3 around 15K Alt, and entered "redzone" just over mach 3.1, 22K alt
at that point, the efficiency was so low, the G42 simply refused to accelerate any further... - exactly as i planned it! - never was i so glad to fail reaching orbit
i turned her around and dropped airspeed to reach a sustainable profile again, then took 'er back to the SLF for a powered landing, throughout which the G42 handled in a way that strongly resembled the Concorde (but with a lot more thrust)
i skidded off a bit on touchdown :embarrassed: which was kinda embarrassing... but that's ok, i managed to wrestle it back onto the centerline after a brief moment of sheer terror...
i've tuned the flight dynamics considerably since the last release... she's still a bit "ruddery", specially on T/O and landing, but nothing too bad
well... now that it's reallistically impossible to get it in orbit, in the same way it would be to do so with the Concorde - i shall begin coding for the RAMCASTER staging operations :woohoo: which is (for me, at least) a glorious milestone in development!:thumbup:
cheers! and Hail Probe!
River Crab
SpaceX Cheer Captain
To quote a guy:
":thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:*10^24"
Anyway, good soloution! :speakcool:
Also, seems southern cross won't work for a logo, since that's already being made by AEB and RKA. How about basing it off the shape of an orbit's ground track?
":thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:*10^24"
Anyway, good soloution! :speakcool:
Also, seems southern cross won't work for a logo, since that's already being made by AEB and RKA. How about basing it off the shape of an orbit's ground track?
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
well it doesn't HAVE to be a southern cross that's just one idea....
i like the idea of the orbital track lines... those look kinda cool i guess... let's see what i can come up with:hmm:
meanwhile, while we're at the conceptual thing again, i thought up some names for the UMMU-compatible crew members...
they are:
Regis "Mach" Winters (Pilot)
Erich A. Mewstring (Mission Control Operator)
Grace Erwin-Smith (Cargo Bay Operator)
Siena R. Gremwitch (Mission Specialist)
Garmin Wichester (Mission Specialist)
noticed something?...
yep, they're all anagrams to "Martin Schweiger" -- a little tribute of mine to the one who made all this possible :thumbup: :lol:
i hope that's ok....
cheers!
that's just one idea....i like the idea of the orbital track lines... those look kinda cool i guess... let's see what i can come up with:hmm:
meanwhile, while we're at the conceptual thing again, i thought up some names for the UMMU-compatible crew members...
they are:
Regis "Mach" Winters (Pilot)
Erich A. Mewstring (Mission Control Operator)
Grace Erwin-Smith (Cargo Bay Operator)
Siena R. Gremwitch (Mission Specialist)
Garmin Wichester (Mission Specialist)
noticed something?...
yep, they're all anagrams to "Martin Schweiger" -- a little tribute of mine to the one who made all this possible :thumbup:
:lol:i hope that's ok....
cheers!
Usquanigo
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Shouldn't Garmin Winchester be the navigator? :lol:
River Crab
SpaceX Cheer Captain
Good job with those names!
Don't be surprised to find someone named "Satori Komeiji" in any of my scenarios. You'll also see a certain nuclear bird scientist in camera focus (yellow text) in my screenshots above.
Anyway, don't do the logo now, I'll do that! You work on the ship!
:hail:
Don't be surprised to find someone named "Satori Komeiji" in any of my scenarios. You'll also see a certain nuclear bird scientist in camera focus (yellow text) in my screenshots above.
Anyway, don't do the logo now, I'll do that! You work on the ship!
:hail:
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
haha! lol! that's true! :rofl:
i'll have him re-assigned in his duties
his mommy should have seen that one coming when naming him that
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
minor progress update....
for the first time - the G42 has performed a succesful RAMCASTER transition...
i managed to get it to switch from the RT66 turborocket engines to the low-spec RAMCASTER jets upon the flick of a switch (key) :thumbup:
i'm happy that this is going well - the lookup-table approach proved itself a great idea when i got the ship to "shift gears" and extend it's flight range to mach 7 (speed where the RAMCASTERS should switch to "HI" and start acting like scramjets)
at first the postion of the lower exhausts caused a major stability problem... with them being mounted below the wings, out of alignment with the CoG and all...
yet, i managed to correct for this by having them angled a bit downwards (which, it turns out, also helps lowering the AoA a bit, which makes for less induced drag)
then i got the CG-shift system working to some extent... this helps a lot in trimming her out for RAMCASTER flight...
it's also needed to correct for the Center-of-Lift shift which happens as you accelerate.... (it should have an "auto" switch, still)
i am now collecting sounds to make the whole process more dramatic - i found an F/A-18 carrier launch clip that sounds almost exactly like what i had in mind for the initial RAMCASTER stage-shift...
BTW, i did also manage to decouple the throttle from the engines response - so now, there's a little engine ramp-up delay (more pronnouced on the RT66 engines) as you throttle up
this allows for all sorts of engine operations to be simulated... the ship can even start out "cold" (engines off) and a full powerup procedure must take place before she's ready to go
this also means, you won't need separate keys to control the different engines (like the XR1 scramjets) -- the main throttle stick controls whatever's relevant on the active configuration, as proposed by the G42's Fly-by-Wire setup
i'll post up a new version as soon as i can get it more solid...
for now, there are still a handful of "show-stoppers", such as no engine sound and unrestricted CoG shifting problems, but most noticeable is the fact that it's impossible to get it into orbital velocity without the remaining two stages being simulated :facepalm::lol:
cheerz!
for the first time - the G42 has performed a succesful RAMCASTER transition...
i managed to get it to switch from the RT66 turborocket engines to the low-spec RAMCASTER jets upon the flick of a switch (key) :thumbup:
i'm happy that this is going well - the lookup-table approach proved itself a great idea when i got the ship to "shift gears" and extend it's flight range to mach 7 (speed where the RAMCASTERS should switch to "HI" and start acting like scramjets)
at first the postion of the lower exhausts caused a major stability problem... with them being mounted below the wings, out of alignment with the CoG and all...
yet, i managed to correct for this by having them angled a bit downwards (which, it turns out, also helps lowering the AoA a bit, which makes for less induced drag)
then i got the CG-shift system working to some extent... this helps a lot in trimming her out for RAMCASTER flight...
it's also needed to correct for the Center-of-Lift shift which happens as you accelerate.... (it should have an "auto" switch, still)
i am now collecting sounds to make the whole process more dramatic - i found an F/A-18 carrier launch clip that sounds almost exactly like what i had in mind for the initial RAMCASTER stage-shift...
BTW, i did also manage to decouple the throttle from the engines response - so now, there's a little engine ramp-up delay (more pronnouced on the RT66 engines) as you throttle up
this allows for all sorts of engine operations to be simulated... the ship can even start out "cold" (engines off) and a full powerup procedure must take place before she's ready to go
this also means, you won't need separate keys to control the different engines (like the XR1 scramjets) -- the main throttle stick controls whatever's relevant on the active configuration, as proposed by the G42's Fly-by-Wire setup
i'll post up a new version as soon as i can get it more solid...
for now, there are still a handful of "show-stoppers", such as no engine sound and unrestricted CoG shifting problems, but most noticeable is the fact that it's impossible to get it into orbital velocity without the remaining two stages being simulated :facepalm::lol:
cheerz!
Moach
Crazy dude with a rocket
just to let 'yall know - ramcasters are working, now with sounds and everything...
yesterday i flew 'er to Mach 18 and about 5k m/s groundspeed.... still needs some tuning i guess... she appears to have more lift now than it did before, somehow....
and more, you can hear the turborocket main engines rev up with throttle (sound pitch changes) - i wasn't even aware that was possible through Dan's OrbiterSound module, but turns out - it is :thumbup:
the ramcasters also have similar sound dynamics (yes, there are different sounds for each configuration) - but since those are ram-powered engines, i figured it would seem unrealistic if the sound were to pitch in accordance to throttle... so for those, pitch varies according to airflow - in other words: you can actually hear the engine's effciency ratings :yes:
then i ran outta fuel and tried to land it at wideawake (good thing im not simulating disasters at this point, or that would have been one) :uhh:
yesterday i flew 'er to Mach 18 and about 5k m/s groundspeed.... still needs some tuning i guess... she appears to have more lift now than it did before, somehow....
and more, you can hear the turborocket main engines rev up with throttle (sound pitch changes) - i wasn't even aware that was possible through Dan's OrbiterSound module, but turns out - it is :thumbup:
the ramcasters also have similar sound dynamics (yes, there are different sounds for each configuration) - but since those are ram-powered engines, i figured it would seem unrealistic if the sound were to pitch in accordance to throttle... so for those, pitch varies according to airflow - in other words: you can actually hear the engine's effciency ratings :yes:
then i ran outta fuel and tried to land it at wideawake (good thing im not simulating disasters at this point, or that would have been one) :uhh:
