OFMM General Discussions Archive

Status
Not open for further replies.
Here's a thought. Are the UCGO miners repackageable? I can't seem to get mine (no pun intended) to repack. If they become permanent once unpacked, then we will have to be VERY selective on where we place them, and we will still likely need to bring several of them with us.

I don't know, is the [nomedia="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4577"]GDI MkI Miner.[/nomedia]r packable/unpackable? Add it to the wish list if it isn't. --or we can start working on our own miner. Whichever way I guess. :cheers:
 
The miner isn't repackable as of yet. I can certainly have a look and see if I can make it so.

Will try and get the ore mill finished in the next couple days and shouldn't take long to rejig the miner.
 
You know guys if we're gonna do this. Do you think it would be a good idea to say tell say NASA or ESA what were doing? Lets face it a bunch of teenagers and space enthusiasts doing a real time Mars Mission. Highly unlikely but may in small ways they could even help us out with the project. NASA's always interested in new ways to get good PR
 
You know guys if we're gonna do this. Do you think it would be a good idea to say tell say NASA or ESA what were doing? Lets face it a bunch of teenagers and space enthusiasts doing a real time Mars Mission. Highly unlikely but may in small ways they could even help us out with the project. NASA's always interested in new ways to get good PR

Great idea!:thumbup: I was just thinking the same thing earlier.

BTW, After much deliberation I have determined that writing a 'fixable' Spirit rover .dll is way beyond my programming abilities so unless anyone else wants to do it, I say we just turn it into a UCGO cargo and take it back to Earth without fixing it.
 
BJ, I like your plan, but permit me to do a suggestion. If we decide not to rotate the crew, we can make the MSS into the sole habitat for the Earth-Mars transfer. Then once at Mars, we separate the propulsion system from the MSS, refuel it and send it and some resources back to Earth where we refuel it again, attach some cargo to it and send it back to Mars to resupply the base and the MSS. Then we repeat the operation.

This idea can be used even if the crew does get rotated (depending on the rotation schedule). I think it would be somewhat more realistic to send the station to Mars a few modules at a time (that way you don't need a super-huge propulsion unit to get it there), and do the assembly in Mars orbit. When you do a crew rotation, simply have at least one of the modules you send be a general habitat module, and send it back with any returning crew.
 
[...]I think it would be somewhat more realistic to send the station to Mars a few modules at a time (that way you don't need a super-huge propulsion unit to get it there), and do the assembly in Mars orbit[...]

Good idea. Or maybe we could separate the station in sections and send it on more than one vessel. Althought that might more complicated for little benefit.
 
You know guys if we're gonna do this. Do you think it would be a good idea to say tell say NASA or ESA what were doing? Lets face it a bunch of teenagers and space enthusiasts doing a real time Mars Mission. Highly unlikely but may in small ways they could even help us out with the project. NASA's always interested in new ways to get good PR

Until you have an actual mission plan with the details, crew and processes all worked out I don't think this is a good idea and right now I see a lot of thoughts and ideas but no structure.

If you are going to do this then can I suggest setting up a website some where with documentation, checklists, backgound, etc.

Checkout JPL's pages for an example of the sort of thing I'm talking about.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/index.cfm
 
Well, my personal favorite for a first mars landing would look like that:

MarsBaseModule.png


The Hab and command module of the Earth-Mars spacecraft gets landed on Mars by use of a special Skycrane vehicle, which is just powerful enough for landing heavy loads on Mars and fly back to Mars orbit with light payloads. The hab/Command module contains no abort option of its own, instead it is meant to land close to a ERV. During reentry it should be protected by a inflatable heatshield, that is large enough to also protect the skycrane during reentry.

If no abort of the mission is needed, the next crew lands on Mars with the next rigid module. This way, the core modules of the mars base are rigid, and the inflatable modules can be used for storage or green houses.

The connection to the earth-Mars spacecraft is at the top of the Hab/Command module and design as such, that during transfer, the spacecraft could spin in yaw direction for providing artificial gravity. When the spacecraft reaches Mars, the hab command modules is detached and the skycrane maneuvers itself for docking with the HC automatically. The rest of the spacecraft remains in (medium) Mars orbit, acting as communication relay and is used again for return from Mars, but this time docking the ERV at its end.

Since the Skycrane is separate, the Earth-Mars ship could also contain cargo modules at it, that are delivered to the ground. For the first mission, the Skycrane would get refueled in Orbit, with fuel transported to Mars, so the payload would be reduced, but later missions could refuel on the surface of Mars, if in-situ fuel production is possible.

This concept doesn't contain any special assumptions on the technology, it should work with reduced performance with realistic technology as well as being still an economic option with "DG-Tech" fictional technology.
 
THis is a rough draft of how I think the mission should go.

Stage one
Starting right off the bat first day we have ourselfs and a luanch of a unmanned probe to mars. Rather than dicking around in LEO for 4 months before going we launch a series of support vessels to the martian surface. Which would include a handful of orbital survey satellites that would act as communication satellites for when the manned surface mission arrives. This way even if the base is not facing earth they still have communications with Moon base control(MBC)

Stage Two
Launching of Unmanned Martian surface base Habitat.
Rather than carry everything to Mars with us we send the return portion of the vessel to Mars.

This can include a say orbital station.

Stage Three. Construction phase.
All three stages will start at approximatly the same time. Constrution phase mearly taking the longest as it requires multible orbital and lunar facilities to be made. These include

1. Lunar Orbit Construction dock.(LOCD)
This is where the manned and possibly unmanned station for Mars Exploration will be and constructed for launch.

2. Moon Base Control(MBC)
This is were the majority of Mission control duties for the Mission will take place. A surface base with all the bells and whistles to keep in touch with the Mission. THis including lunar orbiting sattellites so a line of sight with Mars wouldn't be required to keep in touch.

3. Mars Ship.
I don't care to use the ArrowFreighter for the Mission. One when I look at it I think"Gee this thing wasn't meant to ever fly in an atmosphere." The Gravity wheel and the docking bay facing the ground. Just wouldn't make sense in my design plans(Which someday I still hope to finish)
 
THis is a rough draft of how I think the mission should go.

Stage one
Starting right off the bat first day we have ourselfs and a luanch of a unmanned probe to mars. Rather than dicking around in LEO for 4 months before going we launch a series of support vessels to the martian surface. Which would include a handful of orbital survey satellites that would act as communication satellites for when the manned surface mission arrives. This way even if the base is not facing earth they still have communications with Moon base control(MBC)

Stage Two
Launching of Unmanned Martian surface base Habitat.
Rather than carry everything to Mars with us we send the return portion of the vessel to Mars.

This can include a say orbital station.

Stage Three. Construction phase.
All three stages will start at approximatly the same time. Constrution phase mearly taking the longest as it requires multible orbital and lunar facilities to be made. These include

1. Lunar Orbit Construction dock.(LOCD)
This is where the manned and possibly unmanned station for Mars Exploration will be and constructed for launch.

2. Moon Base Control(MBC)
This is were the majority of Mission control duties for the Mission will take place. A surface base with all the bells and whistles to keep in touch with the Mission. THis including lunar orbiting sattellites so a line of sight with Mars wouldn't be required to keep in touch.

3. Mars Ship.
I don't care to use the ArrowFreighter for the Mission. One when I look at it I think"Gee this thing wasn't meant to ever fly in an atmosphere." The Gravity wheel and the docking bay facing the ground. Just wouldn't make sense in my design plans(Which someday I still hope to finish)

Sound's like a very good idea. If this plan is accepted I'd like to provide some meshes for the satellites.

Also, on the MBC. I think that if earth satellites don't have a line of sight with Mars, the MBC wouldn't have one either. You'd need a relay-satellite in sun-orbit to have a almost constant communication stream.
 
Though we should also get a Spirit, Opportunity and Pathfinder and viking landing sites area on Mars. I'm not a fan of retrieving them. However I am a fan of some of the missions going to the sites. Study there performance and perhaps leave a memorial plaque at the sites. I Can see retrieving Sojourner rover but not the Spirit or Opportunity due to size and weight constraints.
 
THis is a rough draft of how I think the mission should go.

Stage one
Starting right off the bat first day we have ourselfs and a luanch of a unmanned probe to mars.

You mean :probe:
 
I'd like to get in on this, but only if I get to play Gary Sinise.

Who's going to build the giant face mesh?



Wait....you mean this isn't about re-creating Mission to Mars? Dang....

Seriously, though, wish I had time to join in. Had to drop off the OFSS team due to real life pretty much taking over my life....

Sounds like a cool project. Maybe things will calm down for me in the near future so I can participate. :(
 
I think we should at least gather the alternatives in written form for having an overview of the concepts. Currently, we just brainstorm ideas, which is good, but it gets harder with the post count to keep the concepts together.
 
Hello

Perhaps, after a colony is established on Mars, an exploratory mission to Europa (moon of Jupiter) could be considered.
I've been using Orbiter for less than a week, and love it already. I've also read this entire thread, and think you lot should watch this video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rz5ys/Wonders_of_the_Solar_System_Aliens/?from=r

Some of you may have already seen some of the documentaries by Prof. Brian Cox, and the whole series is well worth your time. This particular episode has astounding information about the possibilities of life on Mars, that there could be large amounts of bacteria producing the plumes of methane that have been detected rising from the surface.
And on Europa.... bacteria living in ice? An ocean of liquid water 100km deep?!

Although I would love to join this mission, I don't feel that I'm yet capable of doing the things required. Happy to say though, I had my first successful docking of the DG with the ISS at around 2:30am this morning! :D
 
Good point, Urumpe. It's at 19 pages, its already a pain the butt to remember where the pertinent posts were.

I have some expermental TMI results from the Stack scenario posted back on page 10 by Izaack, but I think it might be best to start a new thread over in the group. I know diddly about how groups within the forum work, but I'll try to figure something out (for Stack development, at any rate).
 
Also, it would be professional to identify some metrics of the different mission concepts, which we could use for grouping the concepts in a system design tree...

For example "Number of LEO assembly missions" or "Mars Crew Size". The goal of this would be having in a short time some facts about the different ideas, which we could use for selecting the profile.
 
Last edited:
I started a new discussion page on the OFMM group's page, entitled "The Stack development." Hopefully, it'll help keep us a little more organized, at least on this aspect of the development effort for Project Prometheus. And once we get a little closer to a final design of the machinery that will take us to Mars, we can all better assess the specific missions that we'll need to get the job done, and done realistically.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top