Why is faster-than-light travel 'impossible'?

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Everytime while watching any sci fi TV show or movie, and something starts to travel faster than light, I always wonder, "People think that's impossible? Why?" I honestly don't see how light can relate directly to matter in a way that makes travelling faster than light impossible.

So (Putting energy needs etc. aside) why is faster than light travel (supposedly) impossible?
 
Because you would need infinite time to accelerate to that speed of light. Unless you already start at it, you can't reach it, and if you start at the speed of light, you can't leave it.
 
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Well assuming you're talking about non-relativistic ways of FTL travel such as warp drive or wormholes, then the answer is it's hypothetically possible. With my limited knowledge of physics I'd make an educated guess that, since space has no mass (give or take) you could "warp" space to travel to a location. Although this has some severe practical limitations, such as radiation, the source of energy, and whether or not negative energy is possible.
 
Urwumpe is correct.

Time, space, matter, and energy are relative. This is hard to notice unless you are looking at extremes. Time moves slower next to a massive body like a black hole. Gps satellites in orbit have to have their clocks adjusted to sync with clocks on the ground because time progresses slower closer to a massive object. When you approach the speed of light you become more massive requiring more energy to speed up while taking longer to do it. You approach a limit in the time space continuum.
 
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Time, space, matter, and energy are relative. This is hard to notice unless you are looking at extremes. Time moves slower next to a massive body like a black hole. Gps satellites in orbit have to have there clocks adjusted to sync with clocks on the ground because time progresses slower closer to a massive object. When you approach the speed of light you become more massive requiring more energy to speed up while taking longer to do it. You approach a limit in the time space continuum.
I think this explained it well enough. Thanks to everyone. :thumbup:
 
Further information:

Time dilation as a function of velocity is defined as:

Δt = Δt₀ / √(1 - (v² / c²)

where:
Δt = dilated time
Δt₀ = proper time
v = velocity
c = vacuum velocity of light

Actually the expression √(1 - (v² / c²) is used throughout special relativity, so the following applies to several equations.

I'm too frigging tired to explain limits and stuff, so suffice it to say that if v = c, then √(1 - (v² / c²) = 0, which means you're dividing time by zero, hence breaking the universe and turning us all into pink frosted cupcakes, assuming Einstein was correct.

As for the Alcubierre Drive Barrel described... the speed of light is universal to all inertial frames of reference, so you still aren't exceeding it. I think. It's 0440 here...not a good time to wrap one's head around special relativity. :goodnight:

P.S. Would you believe that the Cambria Math character set doesn't have a radical sign? WTF?
 
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Pretty much: It doesn't matter if you could exceed the speed of light, because your destination can't get closer to you at more than the speed of light.
 
Because you would need infinite time to accelerate to that speed of light. Unless you already start at it, you can't reach it, and if you start at the speed of light, you can't leave it.
You need infinite energy as well.
Also, just theoretically, you could break the speed of light, actually work it around, by means of an Einstein-Rose bridge, a wormhole.
 
In other words: let's imagine a DeltaGlider (with unlimited fuel, of course :lol:). You leave Earth orbit and keep on accelerating. After a while you get close to light speed. Your ship starts to get heavier, because of the theory of relativity. Now you know that the heavier something is (more correct the more mass it has, of course) the harder it is to accelerate. You can get reaaallly close to the speed of light, but you can't reach it.

You can also think another way: you watch the DeltaGlider from Earth. The Glider's time starts ticking more slowly. It accelerates slowlier and slowlier. Again, you can get very close to the speed of light, but you can't reach it.

This is also the reason you can't leave light speed if you start at it. Your mass is infinite so you can't accelerate at all.

Edit: But of course, with Einstein-Rose bridges, more commonly known as wormholes, you could go faster than light... but without actually going faster than light. Some things just can't be explained in simple terms...

Assuming wormholes exist, of course.
 
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You need infinite energy as well.
Also, just theoretically, you could break the speed of light, actually work it around, by means of an Einstein-Rose bridge, a wormhole.

That is not traveling faster than the speed of light, you just travel a shorter distance ;)

But there are also concepts for FTL travel from the HQT, which are pretty interesting, though much more esoteric.
 
Urwumpe said:
That is not traveling faster than the speed of light, you just travel a shorter distance ;)

Well, you can get at your destination faster than you would by just going at light speed, so it's faster. Sort of ;)

Another thing is that if you go very fast your time slows down, so you can travel more, without dying. You could travel for 2000 years, as seen from Earth. At the end you will be around 2000 light years away, but you could be only 10 years older (or any period of time, for that matter. You could get there in a week). The only problem is that you'll still not be in time for dinner, since time on Earth will keep flowing at its normal rate.

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[...] which means you're dividing time by zero [...]

I wonder how light does it, then...

I hate how sarcastic that sounds.
 
Another thing is that if you go very fast your time slows down, so you can travel more, without dying. You could travel for 2000 years, as seen from Earth. At the end you will be around 2000 light years away, but you could be only 10 years older (or any period of time, for that matter. You could get there in a week). The only problem is that you'll still not be in time for dinner, since time on Earth will keep flowing at its normal rate.

Not that correct. As long as you fly away, Earth sees you age slower - and you see Earth age slower as well. Fly towards Earth at the same speed and you age faster as seen from Earth and Earth ages faster as seen by you.

The same with the time dilation for travel. You really can get to a destination in a fraction of the time from your view: If you don't slow down. Slow down and you suddenly need much longer for slowing down properly as if you would in Newton space.

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I wonder how light does it, then...

Zero resting mass. Light only has relativistic momentum.
 
Oh, OK, thanks. Very informative.

Again, I hate how sarcastic this sounds :beathead:
 
You know the old joke...

A hot air balloon is lost in the fog. The pilot sees somebody below in a garden and shouts to him:

"Where am I?"
"In a hot air balloon."
"Can it be you are mathematician?"
"Yes, how did you tell?"
"Your answer is 100% correct and completely useless."
 
Not that correct. As long as you fly away, Earth sees you age slower - and you see Earth age slower as well. Fly towards Earth at the same speed and you age faster as seen from Earth and Earth ages faster as seen by you.
...so the twins paradox is neutralized by opposite direction trips?
I mean, let's say we're travelling at 260Mm/s from A to B, so in B we would have ticked about 1 year, and people in A would have ticked about 2 years. Going back to the same speed will allow to have in A 2 years past (not 4)?
 
Why accelerating to light speed and beyond is impossible, is because particles with a rest mass cannot reach the speed of light. Likewise, mass-less particles such as photons can't exceed the speed of light, and only particles with a mathamatically 'imaginary' mass can travel faster than light- but only faster than light.

The argument against other forms of effective FTL (i.e. you do not locally exceed the speed of light, but you arrive at a destination before a photon emitted at your starting point), is that they are either physically impossible (ruling out one method) or that they create causality violations (time travel) and thus are impossible in physics (ruling out any for of effective FTL). It has, however, been proposed that either quantum effects could disallow time travel via effective FTL, or that time travel is possible and systems are at work to prevent paradoxes- i.e. the many worlds hypothesis (paradox spawns a new timeline) or the Novikov self consistency principle (the probability of a paradox occuring is 0). This, like everything else in this discussion, is highly speculative.

The problem with the Alcubierre drive is not only that you have either problems with needing tachyonic matter or generating a naked singularity outside the bubble while travelling FTL, but also that the bubble has steering problems and that if you cross the 'light speed barrier' some sort of horizon thingy forms from all the atoms that you crash into, which heats the interior of the bubble up to a point where everything is quark-gluon plasma. That and the fact that the bubble needs not only an incredible amount of mass, but that also that some of this mass needs to be negative matter, which is purely hypothetical. Subsequent papers have shown ways to decrease the amount of mass needed, but such a project would probably still be monumental in scale.

In short, if you have negative matter, and you can create such a 'bubble' (another issue), you can potentially use this method for propulsion, but only at velocities lower than c... which makes it far less interesting and inexorably less useful.

The problem with wormholes is again, that they require negative matter (to prop open the "throat" of the wormhole), and they need to be very massive (on the order of planetary masses, at least). To travel through a wormhole, you need one of the 'mouths' of the wormhole to already be at the destination, and it has to be shipped their physically, at a velocity lower than c. This means that I cannot, for example, make a 'short dash' to Alpha Centauri.

Shipping a wormhole at relativistic speeds also means that you will travel back in time when you travel to the destination wormhole. A wormhole network can be constructed to prevent paradoxes, but it would still be a little unnerving to leave Earth in 2011 and arrive at Gliese 581 in 2008...

I can't say I know much about FTL in Heim theory, although it does look very interesting, the paper was not peer reviewed, does not seem to be well understood, and exists on the fringes of science.
 
...so the twins paradox is neutralized by opposite direction trips?
I mean, let's say we're travelling at 260Mm/s from A to B, so in B we would have ticked about 1 year, and people in A would have ticked about 2 years. Going back to the same speed will allow to have in A 2 years past (not 4)?

Yes, exactly - also because the twin paradox is already slightly different if you just take in account acceleration phases.
 
I like the analogy with Conway's Game of Life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life

You can see motion as set of discrete steps:
Game_of_life_animated_LWSS.gif


The "speed of light" is then derived from the interactions, nothing can get from one place to another without less than given number of interactions. Thus, nothing can move faster than this speed.

How is that related to us? Observations related to Quantum theories tell us that the laws of physics are discrete at the lowest scales, so i won't be surprised that our universe actually runs on some kind of enormous cellular automata. Then, the analogy is exact.
 
Also, if you travelled faster than light, you would basically arrive before leaving, opening a whole can of worms in the causality paradox department.

Think of it this way:

There once was a girl, very bright
who travelled faster than light.
She left one bright day,
in just such a way,
and arrived the previous night.
 
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