Why is faster-than-light travel 'impossible'?

I'm too frigging tired to explain limits and stuff, so suffice it to say that if v = c, then √(1 - (v² / c²) = 0


Don't give me the 'I was tired excuse'...

Firstly, the gamma factor is defined as Sqrt[1/(1-v^2/c^2)] and as v approaches c, the gamma factor goes towards infinity.

Secondly, the moving object feels time as t' = t / gamma and as gamma factor goes through the roof, the time in the moving object's frame of reference starts ticking ever more slowly, not quickly as you described it (t / 0).

The moral of the story:
You can get from one point to another in arbitrarily low amount of time in your own frame of reference.


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Light only has relativistic momentum.

Anything with wave characteristics carries momentum.
 
For me the best argument against FTL travel is that, according to relativity, you have either FTL travel or causality, but you can't have both.

Imagine it this way. Let's assume we have a rocket, that travelled from the Earth to Alpha Centauri in a year (as perceived by people on Earth), achieving this way an average velocity of 4.2 c. We then have two events (in form (t,x) relative to Earth):

(0,0) - start of the rocket
(1,4.2) - arrival of the rocket on Alpha Centauri.

Now let's say we have a regular, slower than light rocket, which travels in the direction of Alpha Centauri at 0.5 c, starting in the same place and time as the previous rocket. Let's calculate what will people on that rocket see...

Using the Lorentz transformation, we get that the first rocket still started at (0,0). But the coordinates of the arrival will be:

[math]x' = \frac{x-vt}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}} = \frac{4.2-0.5}{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} = \frac{7.4}{\sqrt{3}} \approx 4.27 ly[/math]

[math]t' = \frac{t-\frac{v}{c^2}x}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}} = \frac{1-2.1}{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} = \frac{-2.2}{\sqrt{3}} \approx -1.27 yr[/math]

Wait, what? t' is negative, which means that relative to the second rocket, the first one arrived 1.3 years before it took off! Let's say that the first rocket was carrying a message about a great war that started on Earth just before its takeoff. According to the second rocket, people living in the space station near Alpha Centauri were notified about the war before it started. Causality is broken.

The point is, if the interval between two events is spacelike ([math]c^2 (\Delta t)^2 - (\Delta x)^2 < 0[/math]), there always exists such a frame of reference, that the sequence of events is reversed in that frame. This means that if you can travel faster than light, you can make a causal connection between a sequence of events, which will be reversed in another frame of reference. Since it is widely believed that causality should work, this means that there can be no FTL travel.
 
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You can't travel faster than light, but you can get from A to B in a shorter time (observed from the travelling object!) than the time it takes light to get from A to B.

For example, if you can survive the acceleration, have the thrust, fuel etc., you can spend less than 8 years going to Sirius which is 8.6 or so light years away.

Of course, for anyone being at Sirius or or at Earth, more than 8.6 years will pass.

The most interesting part is what you can (can't) see from your ship while travelling. As you speed up, the universe will "contract" in your direction of travel, making the distance shorter. Time - (which is only really a comparator for objects in motion) - time will appear to have slowed down on Earth and at Sirius and anywhere else, but if there was a set of clocks along your way, they would get out of sync as you accelerate. Each time you pass the next one, you will see that the clock has advanced more than it would have if it were on your ship. But all the clocks will still appear to be ticking slower.
 
I can theoretically get to Mu Arae in just a few years... problem is, it'll be roughly 40 years by the time I get there and 80 years till I get back...

Relativistic time dilation is totally different to "travelling faster than light".
 
You have to remember there is no absolute point of view. Future "frequent travellers" may as well go full solipsist and decide their vantage point is the most valid and the rest of the universe is speeding up.
 
Wrong. You feel the acceleration inside the ship, not on the Earth... you can't say that the Earth is accelerating the other way.
 
Wrong. You feel the acceleration inside the ship, not on the Earth... you can't say that the Earth is accelerating the other way.

Wrong. That is all just a matter of convention, since you can differ between gravity or inertia.
 
Wrong. You feel the acceleration inside the ship, not on the Earth... you can't say that the Earth is accelerating the other way.


All inertial frames of reference are equally valid. If you're not concerned about actually calculating any movements, you may as well place the frame of reference in the centre of your observable universe - your visual cortex.
 
the centre of your observable universe - your visual cortex.

Your visual cortex is no sensor, the photons interact with your retina. ;)
 
Your visual cortex is no sensor, the photons interact with your retina. ;)

The photons maybe stop there, but the event travels on ;) :lol:
 
The photons maybe stop there, but the event travels on

My point is that they are observed by the eye, the data is only processed by the visual cortex. ;)
 
My point is that they are observed by the eye, the data is only processed by the visual cortex. ;)

Yes and you are perfectly right. I just want to add that relativity doesn't stop at particles or even just fields - it applies to any event. If one light year away a bag of rice falls over, you can't know that after only 364 days. Regardless how this event is propagated.

Which is quite important if you like to use math for funny questions. For example answering the question, what happens if you just let a galaxy disappear on one end of the universe and make it instantly reappear on the opposite side - what would this do to space-time and thus gravity? ;)
 
what happens if you just let a galaxy disappear on one end of the universe and make it instantly reappear on the opposite side - what would this do to space-time and thus gravity?

Well, instantaneous doesn't have a single meaning in the universe... plus the universe doesn't have sides... and I would like to see you making matter disappear into nothing... lots of flaws :lol:
 
So (Putting energy needs etc. aside) why is faster than light travel (supposedly) impossible?
I've instantly thought about this part of some joke
...In the next cell is a dead mathematician. He has written on every inch of the walls in despair, the first line of his writing: "Assuming the tin is open..."
:rofl:
The rest of the explanations were aleready given to you in previous posts.

As for things beeing done/happening FTL travels, I think sending an information using EPR paradox, which found out not to be a paradox at all, breaks this rule.
It's not travelling, but might one day in very distant future open the doors to teleportation.

Urgh, I found a flaw in teleportation solution, one part of the device still has to be transported to the place of destination.
 
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Wrong. That is all just a matter of convention, since you can differ between gravity or inertia.
Sorry, no--the Earth provably does not experience the acceleration that the ship does. This is why the twin paradox works. If it were symmetrical, as you propose, it wouldn't make sense for one twin to have aged and one to have not.
 
Sorry, no--the Earth provably does not experience the acceleration that the ship does. This is why the twin paradox works. If it were symmetrical, as you propose, it wouldn't make sense for one twin to have aged and one to have not.

The twin paradox does not work at all! That is the problem with it.

The twin paradox is created by an extreme simplification of special relativity. It is already wrong if you apply special relativity correctly (not just gamma factor, include acceleration) and especially wrong in general relativity.

Trying to fix the universe so the twin paradox exists, is not really helpful.
 
Well, instantaneous doesn't have a single meaning in the universe... plus the universe doesn't have sides... and I would like to see you making matter disappear into nothing... lots of flaws

Ah... but... he is not making matter disappear into nothing, he is merely transferring it instantaneously. ;)
 
The twin paradox does not work at all! That is the problem with it.
The twin paradox is created by an extreme simplification of special relativity. It is already wrong if you apply special relativity correctly (not just gamma factor, include acceleration) and especially wrong in general relativity.
Trying to fix the universe so the twin paradox exists, is not really helpful.
You should update the Wikipedia page with your extensive knowledge, then, because it doesn't say anything about it being wrong: HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox
You also might want to consider getting published with your proof that Einstein is wrong. The scientific community will be most interested.
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<p>You should update the Wikipedia page with your extensive knowledge, then, because it doesn't say anything about it being wrong: HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox</p>

You also might want to consider getting published with your proof that Einstein is wrong. The scientific community will be most interested.

Interesting that they removed the whole part about how to resolve the paradox in different versions of relativity, and only focus in the wrong version. But what is left about it:

"Neither Einstein nor Langevin considered such results to be literally paradoxical: Einstein only called it "peculiar" while Langevin presented it as consequence of absolute acceleration.[5] A paradox in logical and scientific usage refers to results which are inherently contradictory, that is, logically impossible, and both men argued that out of the time differential illustrated by the story of the twins no self-contradiction could be constructed. In other words, neither Einstein nor Langevin saw the story of the twins as constituting a challenge to the self-consistency of relativistic physics."

Also, the math example at the end of the wiki article really has an error - the acceleration function is wrong. In this one, you could exceed the speed of light, because the addition of velocities is simply ignored. Have to look for the correct one, but just replacing v by at isn't the correct one.
 
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Interesting that they removed the whole part about how to resolve the paradox in different versions of relativity, and only focus in the wrong version.
Special relativity is wrong? The scientific community awaits your groundbreaking article.
 
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