some girl got head trauma at sxm

[Urwumpe]

No they don't. How many people even understand the basics of how plane flies?

Additional safety features including blast deflectors should be installed as soon as possible.

alone taxing into position should produce a nice warning of what to come in that video. You don't need to know what thrust means, but when you arrived by plane on that island, and already get a pretty strong blow when the plane idles, you should get the hell away and not hold fast to the fence with all the other idiots.

That smell like old Red Bull cans is not worth it.

 

[liber]

Maybe a carry a parachute to beach,practice for new Jackass movie.

 

[mojoey]

Not as dangerous as being stupid enough to stand close behind a starting jet and expect no hot storm. There should be less warning signs in the world for inducing thinking.

Remove all warning labels, let the problem sort itself out

 

[garyw]

Remove all warning labels, let the problem sort itself out

That'll work fine when when Mrs. Average (who has no clue about aircraft) lets her three year old up to 'look at the pretty planes' not realising that the jet blast will be fatal.

 

[Keatah]

But despite her thoughtless act,airport should not be to close to open road where are people couple of meter from runway and close to engine exhaust?!
Maybe there are no better location for airport runway there but still I think airport should make wall or something to reduce engine exhaust power and to avoid people been dust by sand and to avoid beach been blown away from the land.

That has been considered many times by the councilmembers & lawmakers.. Business lobbied against it. This is a major tourist attraction to the town and income from tourism would be lost.

 

[Urwumpe]

That'll work fine when when Mrs. Average (who has no clue about aircraft) lets her three year old up to 'look at the pretty planes' not realising that the jet blast will be fatal.

How many warning signs do you think will be sufficient to make sure people completely unfit for parenting will be at least no danger for their children?

Also I am not sure a warning sign would prevent such problems, compared to "make sure all adults watch all children, regardless if theirs or not"

 

[Napalm42]

Isn't this the same airport where a taxi was flipped off of the runway by a 737's exhaust?

 

[garyw]

How many warning signs do you think will be sufficient to make sure people completely unfit for parenting will be at least no danger for their children?

Also I am not sure a warning sign would prevent such problems, compared to "make sure all adults watch all children, regardless if theirs or not"

Unfit parents are different to a mother or father wanting to show off the planes to their children. If you don't provide the signs people won't know the danger. If you DO provide the signs and people ignore them then in their own head be it. At least they were warned.

 

[Codz]

How many warning signs do you think will be sufficient to make sure people completely unfit for parenting will be at least no danger for their children?

Also I am not sure a warning sign would prevent such problems, compared to "make sure all adults watch all children, regardless if theirs or not"

Are you really arguing about removing warning signs? Really?

 

[Keatah]

There are a number of warning signs posted. Many saying that you could die, out and outright. I especially like the stylized one that depicts an aircraft taking off and the jet blast blowing you away.

Many plane spotters go there just for the experience, and the more "tough" ones take the chance and ride the fence.

I wonder how often Darwin flies in and out of that airport?

 

[Urwumpe]

Are you really arguing about removing warning signs? Really?

Yeah, really. Especially those like "Attention! Fog!" or "Hot Coffee!".

I have no problem with the "Attention! Aircraft!" warning signs in Germany, which really warn you a few seconds before a 747 passes above your car in Frankfurt.

 

[Keatah]

Many question the pilots' actions because they purposely put the aircraft close to the perimeter and ran the engines to TOGA with the brakes on. Insel Air, another airline, supposedly purposely does this all the time.

It's like the traditional steak and eggs breakfast before launch. When you fly into sxm, you're supposed to do "something".

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I also believe that common sense, while not teachable to everybody, should be at least offered in school curriculum.

 

[garyw]

Many question the pilots' actions because they purposely put the aircraft close to the perimeter and ran the engines to TOGA with the brakes on. Insel Air, another airline, supposedly purposely does this all the time.

Which might be part of the SOPs. BA bring the throttles to 65% N1 with the toe brakes on. When the engines stabilise the PF selects TOGA and the brakes are released. This is the Standard Operating Procedure for them and maybe Insel Air have different standards.

 

[Urwumpe]

It would also be a matter of the runway length, if I remember correctly, the SXM runway is rather short with 2300 meters for the planes that take-off from it.

But that:

should have been visual enough for the danger of the thrust equation.

 

[Keatah]

YES! That is the exact sign they have there, except, now, it's covered in stickers and things. All the text and diagram is still totally visible and 100% legible.

 

[Hielor]

Many question the pilots' actions because they purposely put the aircraft close to the perimeter and ran the engines to TOGA with the brakes on. Insel Air, another airline, supposedly purposely does this all the time.

Anyone questioning the pilots' actions doesn't know anything about airliners.

Given the relatively long spool-up time of jet engines, it's extremely common to run the engines up while the brakes are held before starting the takeoff roll. Even more so on a short runway like Juliana's.

As for "putting the aircraft close to the perimeter"...that's what you do with short-field takeoffs.

At the beginning of the video you can see the people running to the fence to hold on. They knew exactly what was going to happen. I have zero sympathy for anyone who chooses to take risks like this and ends up suffering the consequences.

 

[Keatah]

The reason there's controversy about this specific incident is because the pilot had "U-turned" in the chevron-marked displacement area. Supposedly where he ran the engines up was a violation of either the airport's or JB's SOP. That will have to be investigated. Should take all of 10 minutes.

I don't know all the details or even what precisely happened. But I find it hard to believe that moving the ship forward 30 or 40 meters to the proper position would have made a significant difference.. she still would have been blown away.

The concrete she banged her head on -- those concrete breakers -- on the other side of the road serve two purposes, they prevent the sand from whipping up a bigger storm than it does. They also serve as breakwater for the road.

Also it seems that she was counting on her BF (or the guy she picked up) to keep everything together. Or perhaps FOD got blown around. That happens there. You do indeed get hit with stuff.

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Additionally, don't many airliners spool to 60% power? Then let off the brakes. Then go to TO power? ..Sure this could be dependent on the field, weather, surface, and loading and stuff.

So the question is did the pilots incorrectly power-up in an area they weren't supposed to?

Finally, as is common with incidents involving complex systems and transportation, there's usually a series of events that have to be combined together to cause a screwup. There isn't any one specific direction to point the finger.

Common sense dictates that you generally stand back from jet blast. The noise alone should be warning enough!

 

[Andy44]

SHort-field takeoff procedure: stand on the brakes and run up the engine, and use all the runway, including the abutting taxiway if present. There are 3 things a pilot can't use: the altitude above him, the fuel he left on the ground, and the runway behind him.

On another note, it seems poor old Jet Blue can't catch a break these days. Everytime there's an incident in the news it has their company's logo attached to it.

 

[Hielor]

The reason there's controversy about this specific incident is because the pilot had "U-turned" in the chevron-marked displacement area. Supposedly where he ran the engines up was a violation of either the airport's or JB's SOP. That will have to be investigated. Should take all of 10 minutes.

Judging from aerial imagery of the airport, there is an area of the runway marked with white chevrons. Blast pads or stopways (which are prohibited for use) are marked with yellow chevrons.

Time will tell, certainly, but I highly doubt they did anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Keatah]

Word is Darwin left early and went elsewhere. She should recover fully and has lawyers lined up for legal proceedings.