News Contact lost with 777-200ER of Malaysia Airlines

Castor said:
It could be said that the search is finally drawing to a close....
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Could you please state the source of that information? ..because they are budgeted for 100 Bluefin dives.
 
Keatah said:
Could you please state the source of that information? ..because they are budgeted for 100 Bluefin dives.
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The budget isn't the matter, most of the proposed search area has been searched and no one is exactly sure where to look next. It is in the light of this matter that the death certificates have been issued.
 
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seems to be like it's time to go back and re-examine all the data. Did the pings really come from the black boxes? Is the radar data accurate? Are the communications transcripts accurate? and so on.
 
garyw said:
seems to be like it's time to go back and re-examine all the data. Did the pings really come from the black boxes? Is the radar data accurate? Are the communications transcripts accurate? and so on.
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Or use different AUVs, since this was pretty limited. I did not have side scan sonar and was limited to 4900 meters in a region, that goes down to 7000 meters.
 
Debris washed ashore is nothing surprising - there are currents in the ocean after all, and it's been months.
 
garyw said:
seems to be like it's time to go back and re-examine all the data. Did the pings really come from the black boxes? Is the radar data accurate? Are the communications transcripts accurate? and so on.
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Exactly.

Of course I should hope that any data has been scrutinized multiple times by multiple parties.

Maybe while this Bluefin is down there it could ask the local Mackerel if they've seen Amelia Earhart passing through. <sarcasm>
 
More news:

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak told CNN on Thursday that his government will release a preliminary report on the plane's disappearance next week.The report has already been sent to the United Nation's International Civil Aviation Organization, but has yet to be made available to the public, CNN reported.
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The search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 is likely to drag on for years, a senior US defence official said on Friday, as an underwater search for any trace of the plane's wreckage off west Australia appeared to have failed.

The official, who declined to be identified because he is not authorized to comment on the search effort, said two weeks of scouring the Indian Ocean floor with a US Navy submersible drone had turned up no wreckage.

He said the search for the jetliner, which vanished on March 8 with 239 people on board, would now enter a much harder phase of scouring broader areas of the ocean near where the plane is believed to have crashed.
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Australian Defense Minister David Johnston said the next phase was likely to deploy more powerful side-scan sonar equipment that can delve deeper than the Bluefin 21.
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More conflicting information, I've bolded the bits I found interesting.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has admitted the military did track a "civilian aircraft" entering their airspace at the time MH370 lost contact with ground control - but it failed to act as it "was not deemed to be hostile".

In an interview with CNN, Razak was pushed into explaining his country's role on the night when a reportedly junior radar military operator spotted the aircraft change its course towards the peninsula of Malaysia on 8 March.

It comes as a preliminary report into the disappearance of flight MH370 is due to be released next week.

Najib told CNN: "Now the military, the primary radar, has some capability. It tracked an aircraft which did a turn back, but they were not exactly sure whether it was MH370. What they were sure of was that the aircraft was not deemed to be hostile."

When asked if any planes were sent up on the night to investigate, Najib replied: "No, because - simply because it was deemed not to be hostile."

"Don't you find that troubling, that a civil aircraft can turn back, fly across the country, and nobody thinks to go up and have a look?" CNN's Richard Quest, asked.

"You see, coming back to my earlier statement was that they were not sure whether it was MH370," Najib said.

"Even more reason to go up and have a look," Quest pushed.

"They were not sure, but it behaved like a commercial airline," Najib replied.

His admission conflicts previous reports that military radar had not picked up any definite information that lead to speculation that the Boeing 777 had been flown deliberately low and close to the coastline to avoid being traced.

Najib also told CNN he found it bizarre when satellite data suggested the Beijing flight was suddenly found halfway across the Indian Ocean.

"To be honest, I found it hard to believe," said the Prime Minister.

"It's a bizarre scenario which none of us could have contemplated so that's why when I met the team...of foremost experts in aviation industry I asked them again and again 'are you sure?'.

"And their answer to me was we are as sure as we can possibly be."

The latest revelations will only further anger the families of the missing passengers who recently protested outside the Malaysian Embassy over the constant lack of information of the fate of their loved-ones.

"The ambassador kept saying he would come but he never showed," an elderly man told CNN.

"They're lying. They're lying to us."

The search for the missing aircraft has been hampered by a tropical cyclone, but crews will continue scouring the impact zone, 1,200 miles north west of Perth, until deployed to investigate new areas.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-a...litary-tracked-missing-jet-failed-act-1446106

So, now it seems that the plane did an about face but didn't fly low to avoid radar. Of course, they state that it was a 'junior' military radar operator. How convenient...
 
garyw said:
So, now it seems that the plane did an about face but didn't fly low to avoid radar. Of course, they state that it was a 'junior' military radar operator. How convenient...
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I really wonder how they managed to have their good economy with such a ugly attitude.... we would never declare somebody as too junior to do a job, we would not even say that somebody is a junior outside the team.

Same with the ferry accident, where all hack on the third mate to be too junior for the job... despite already becoming third mate means that you are more than qualified for it.
 
yeah, isn't being qualified a prerequisite to having the job?

*unfortunately our unqualified staff was working that shift :rolleyes:
 
New lead ?

On Monday, Australian exploration company GeoResonance said they believed it may have located the wreckage more than 3,000 miles from where authorities have been looking off the western coast of Australia. “We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777 ... these are aluminum, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials,” Pavel Kursa from GeoResonance told Australia’s 7News.

GeoResonance compared multispectral images taken March 5 and 10 -- before and after the plane's disappearance -- and found a specific area where the data varied between those dates, it said in a statement. The location is about 190 kilometres south of Bangladesh.

Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said China and Australia were aware of the announcement. "Malaysia is working with its international partners to assess the credibility of this information," a statement from his office said.
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Thunder Chicken said:
GeoResonance technology is right up there with dowsing rods and homeopathy. It would be nice if it were true but they are just trying to sell snake oil to the gullible.
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Is it?

We can determine the composition of atmospheres of planets light years away just by looking at the light from them.
Specific spectral lines betray specific elements and compounds.

There is a thing called an imaging spectrometer - a camera that takes an image in hundreds of "colours" corresponding to specific wavelengths.
And such camera can do exactly what is claimed there - show what elements are present in the area being imaged, i.e. from a satellite.
It's easy to underestimate the amount of evidence a given event can leave.

So their claims are plausible, even if their name stinks of marketing and deception.
 
Artlav said:
Is it?

We can determine the composition of atmospheres of planets light years away just by looking at the light from them.
Specific spectral lines betray specific elements and compounds.

There is a thing called an imaging spectrometer - a camera that takes an image in hundreds of "colours" corresponding to specific wavelengths.
And such camera can do exactly what is claimed there - show what elements are present in the area being imaged, i.e. from a satellite.
It's easy to underestimate the amount of evidence a given event can leave.

So their claims are plausible, even if their name stinks of marketing and deception.
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I'm not aware of any technology that can detect a lump of metal under 3 miles of sea water from orbit. If that were possible, EVERY wreck ever sunk could be found. Sorry, it's Star Trek technology - it doesn't exist because the physics doesn't exist.

Imaging spectrometers ARE a proven technology - but they would also not be able to detect a lump of metal under 3 miles of sea water from orbit either. It's a completely different application.
 
Castor said:
New lead:
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Don't think it's MH370 either, but it is feasible.

GeoResonance said it analyzes super-weak electromagnetic fields captured by airborne multispectral images.
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But the way they "found" a "plane" is certainly interesting. Why wasn't this done before? It certainly got results.
 
Thunder Chicken said:
I'm not aware of any technology that can detect a lump of metal under 3 miles of sea water from orbit.
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Perhaps not, if that is exactly what they claim, and not just media distortion.
I haven't gone into the details of the claim, only spoke about the general idea of such a detection.

There might be parts and residue on the surface that would show up on scans, it might be something real, but completely unrelated.
Maybe some part of the plane didn't sink for a while, however implausible that sounds.

In any case, what was the black box sound heard in the current search area then?
 
Not just metals. They found hydrocarbons as well. They're saying it came from jet fuel residue...
 
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