News FORMULA 1 MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ 2016 Hungaroring

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https://www.formula1.com/en/championship/races/2016/Hungary.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest.html

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Qualifying started and stopped, bit wet, waiting for a dry bit.

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Q3 results

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36875049

 

[ADSWNJ]

Great quali. Started with rivers of water on the track and too wet even for wet tires, and ended Q3 with a dry line and everyone on slicks.

The last laps for HAM, RIC, VET were compromised by a yellow flag for ALO (who spun, but then got out the way just in time for ROS to not be compromised, and he went on to take the pole.

Game on for tomorrow.

 

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Good start, Rosberg went down to third, back up now. Hamilton pulling away in first, looks like he has a different car!

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[ADSWNJ]

HAM wins, then ROS +2s, then RIC +28s, VET +28s, VES +49s, RAI +49s.

Pretty boring race, to be honest. No major accidents or wild overtaking. Lewis got a better start than Nico, and led by Turn 1. Ricciardo blew past Nico on that first turn, but Nico got him back a turn later. RIC and VET had a good scrap. Young Max and Kimi had the most aggressive fight, with Kimi losing a good chunk of wing after a particularly aggressive defense from Max.

Up front, Lewis controlled the pace for the whole race, and was never seriously challenged. For all the effort Nico put in, you just got the feeling that Lewis had ample performance in reserve if he had ever needed it.

I was looking at the driving styles data on www.formula1.com (don't know why, but I had never seen this before, as I always assumed it was behind the pay-wall). They monitor the drivers on 5 characteristics: Throttle, Steering, Brake, Cornering, and "Aggression", then assign a 1.0 to 10.0 index based on lowest-to-highest, then grade each driver on that scale.

Anyway - here's the data for a select set of leaders:

[FONT="Courier New"]
[SIZE="3"]      THR   STR   BRK   COR   AGG
HAM   6.6   4.9   9.0   2.9   2.4
ROS   5.3   8.4   5.3   3.2   9.5
RIC   8.5   5.6   9.2   3.2   8.2
VET   9.1   5.8  10.0   2.9   4.4
VES   7.9   8.9   9.3   3.1   7.6
RAI   9.4  10.0   8.1   5.9   1.0
ALO   5.5   7.2   3.3   2.9   5.5
SAI  10.0   2.8   6.8   2.9   7.3
BOT   6.5   1.0   6.5   2.8   9.8[/SIZE]
[/FONT]

I find it fascinating that the same machines are driven in totally different styles. Compare HAM/ROS, RIC/VES, and VET/RAI for the Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari for the match-ups.

Looking at Lewis vs Nico - it's amazing that Lewis out-accelerates and out-brakes Nico, but Nico develops much more aggressiveness, and has higher G's in the corners. Kimi's data is also amazing: lowest aggressiveness, but highest steering inputs.

 

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Race results

Driver Team Grid Fastest Lap Race Time Points
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 2 1:23.849 1:40:30.115 25
2 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1 1:23.670 +0:01.977 18
3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 3 1:24.608 +0:27.539 15
4 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 5 1:24.383 +0:28.213 12
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 4 1:24.687 +0:48.659 10
6 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 14  1:23.086 +0:49.044 8
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren 7 1:24.958 Lapped 6
8 Carlos Sainz Jnr Toro Rosso 6 1:25.103 Lapped 4
9 Valtteri Bottas Williams 10 1:25.273 Lapped 2
10 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 9 1:25.392 Lapped 1
11 Sergio Perez Force India 13 1:25.021 Lapped 0
12 Jolyon Palmer Renault 17 1:25.743 Lapped 0
13 Esteban Gutierrez Haas F1 15 1:25.955 Lapped 0
14 Romain Grosjean Haas F1 11 1:25.958 Lapped 0
15 Kevin Magnussen Renault 19 1:26.230 Lapped 0
16 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 12 1:24.669 Lapped 0
17 Felipe Nasr Sauber 16 1:25.676 Lapped 0
18 Felipe Massa Williams 18 1:25.296 Lapped 0
19 Pascal Wehrlein Manor 20 1:26.524 Lapped 0
20 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 22 1:25.475 Lapped 0
21 Rio Haryanto Manor 21 1:27.791 Lapped 0
R Jenson Button McLaren 8 1:26.744 Retired (60) 0

Last updated 24 July 2016 at 15:21

 

[fred18]

HAM wins, then ROS +2s, then RIC +28s, VET +28s, VES +49s, RAI +49s.

Pretty boring race, to be honest. No major accidents or wild overtaking. Lewis got a better start than Nico, and led by Turn 1. Ricciardo blew past Nico on that first turn, but Nico got him back a turn later. RIC and VET had a good scrap. Young Max and Kimi had the most aggressive fight, with Kimi losing a good chunk of wing after a particularly aggressive defense from Max.

Up front, Lewis controlled the pace for the whole race, and was never seriously challenged. For all the effort Nico put in, you just got the feeling that Lewis had ample performance in reserve if he had ever needed it.

I was looking at the driving styles data on www.formula1.com (don't know why, but I had never seen this before, as I always assumed it was behind the pay-wall). They monitor the drivers on 5 characteristics: Throttle, Steering, Brake, Cornering, and "Aggression", then assign a 1.0 to 10.0 index based on lowest-to-highest, then grade each driver on that scale.

Anyway - here's the data for a select set of leaders:

[FONT="Courier New"]
[SIZE="3"]      THR   STR   BRK   COR   AGG
HAM   6.6   4.9   9.0   2.9   2.4
ROS   5.3   8.4   5.3   3.2   9.5
RIC   8.5   5.6   9.2   3.2   8.2
VET   9.1   5.8  10.0   2.9   4.4
VES   7.9   8.9   9.3   3.1   7.6
RAI   9.4  10.0   8.1   5.9   1.0
ALO   5.5   7.2   3.3   2.9   5.5
SAI  10.0   2.8   6.8   2.9   7.3
BOT   6.5   1.0   6.5   2.8   9.8[/SIZE]
[/FONT]

I find it fascinating that the same machines are driven in totally different styles. Compare HAM/ROS, RIC/VES, and VET/RAI for the Mercedes, Red Bull, and Ferrari for the match-ups.

Looking at Lewis vs Nico - it's amazing that Lewis out-accelerates and out-brakes Nico, but Nico develops much more aggressiveness, and has higher G's in the corners. Kimi's data is also amazing: lowest aggressiveness, but highest steering inputs.

That seems interesting but I can't get how these numbers are measured :hmm:

 

[ADSWNJ]

That seems interesting but I can't get how these numbers are measured :hmm:

Onboard telemetry streaming from the cars. The data updates each 10 secs or so, and I assume they are averaging each lap (as the data stays relatively the same throughout a lap, rather then looking like a real-time accelerator/brake).

 

[fred18]

Onboard telemetry streaming from the cars. The data updates each 10 secs or so, and I assume they are averaging each lap (as the data stays relatively the same throughout a lap, rather then looking like a real-time accelerator/brake).

Ok, but what "Cornering 2.9 against 3.1" means?
Or throttling? Does it mean that the highest the number the more the throttle is pushed? And steering? they steer more??

 

[C3PO]

I don't care too much about numbers like that, because F1 tactic is more about 'when' than 'what'.

Tracks like this always have people complaining about boring race because there aren't enough overtaking and/or crashes. It's almost like they completely missed the massive fights all the way down the field. It can be difficult too discern between procession-driving and when there's an actual fight for a position.

 

[BenSisko]

I guess I'm surprised at the aggressiveness score. I would've expected Verstappen to score higher there (though he did spend the last half of the race defending against Kimi).

 

[C3PO]

I guess I'm surprised at the aggressiveness score. I would've expected Verstappen to score higher there (though he did spend the last half of the race defending against Kimi).

Yeah, the lowest score in aggression started in 14'th place and finished 6'th, while #2 went from 1'st to 2'nd place? :huh:

 

[ADSWNJ]

Yeah, the lowest score in aggression started in 14'th place and finished 6'th, while #2 went from 1'st to 2'nd place? :huh:

Kids need to learn this! The fastest progress is usually not the heaviest foot on the accelerator and then slamming on the brakes 10 secs later!

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Ok, but what "Cornering 2.9 against 3.1" means?
Or throttling? Does it mean that the highest the number the more the throttle is pushed? And steering? they steer more??

Well ... it's not my data but this explains it very clearly: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...ratings-explained--australia---cornering.html

My interpretation: integrate the absolute values of perpendicular horizontal G-forces for a whole lap for each car. Fit a function to the data that maps the lowest value to 1.0 and 10.0 to the highest. Apply the function to the remainder of the cars, to give a variety of readings from 1.0 to 10.0.

So cornering 2.9 means that relative to the 3.1 driver, the 2.9 driver is protecting his tires better by applying less perpendicular horizontal force to them. Or you could say that they were not getting as much turning action from the tires, because of different chassis, or set-ups, or styles.

As I mentioned before - I find it fascinating to think through the head to head analyses for drivers of the same machines. It shows that the human does indeed still have a critical component to play, which of course we all know and want to continue!