F22 Raptor wows Farnborough.

It's almost as if Lockheed Martin have found a way to defy the laws of physics! :lol:

I haven't been to an airshow for years. Been meaning to go for the last couple of years. I've marked the Southport airshow in September in my calendar though. Probably no Raptor, but the Typhoon should be there at least.
 
It does look good, but a typical grey July day in Hampshire!
Hoping to go to Duxford in September, just want to get one glimpse of the Vulcan this season.

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Wow, the thrust vectoring makes for some amazing manoeuvres.
 
Everytime I hear about the Raptor, I think about the most awesome looking jet fighter ever designed... the YF-23. It's just too sad it didn't win the ATF competition.
 
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It actually only has one-dimensional TVC. The two dimensional TVC of the X-31 allows much more extreme maneuvers. :lol:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/X-31/HTML/EM-0036-01.html

I don't know if the F-22 will ever get a upgrade to two-dimensional TVC, because of the Stealth design, but the Eurofighter will in some years, together with a better radar.

So do some russian jets (have 2d TVC). Don't know if any of them are presently in service.
 
A side-by-side comparison with one of the newer Sukhoi or Mikoyan would be interesting. I don't think they will perform too bad :lol:
 
Just watching the F22 again from the BBC link at top of thread, and what appears to be an Orange exhaust at about 2:22 in.
A peculiarty of the images, or maybe other reasons?

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Just watching the F22 again from the BBC link at top of thread, and what appears to be an Orange exhaust at about 2:22 in.
A peculiarty of the images, or maybe other reasons?

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It looks like it really was there. I've got two theories. More likely is he ignited the afterburners (I don't know what afterburner ignition looks like, but I think this is plausible). Less likely, but still possible, is diced seagull flambe.

Edit: This video seems to lend credence to the bird strike theory: http://www.weshow.com/us/p/31810/bird_ingestion_test_in_a_rolls_royce_engine
 
Just watching the F22 again from the BBC link at top of thread, and what appears to be an Orange exhaust at about 2:22 in.
A peculiarty of the images, or maybe other reasons?

Looks like the engines had been stalled for a short moment and burned not properly, or unburned fuel got blown out of the engines after lowering the AOA.

It was not afterburner, this would be more visible, I remember seeing the engine test photos of the F-22.

http://www.f-22raptor.com/af_engines.php
 
IIRC the F-22 doesn't have 2D TVC but it augments yaw control with engine throttling. I find it hard to believe that true 2D TVC would get you much more than that.

It could have been oil burning off. It typically burns a blueish white, but I wouldn't put it beyond the USAF or Pratt&Whitney to use some exotic lubricants in their Turbofans. Unburnt fuel is another good theory, though both turbines look pretty hot at 2:22. A bird strike would have been much more prominent, as would lighting up the afterburners. Another possibility is that the pilot crossed the AB threshold and came right back telling the flight computer to start the Afterburning process, but shutting it back off a split second later before the excess fuel could be burned. I still have trouble believing it was unburnt fuel even if it was let out aft of the combustion chamber.
 
The orange color was due to the AB being shutoff. The exhaust was fuel rich at that point and it caused the exhaust to emit smoke. It can also be observed in the split second between when the pilot engages the AB but before it actually lights.
 
A side-by-side comparison with one of the newer Sukhoi or Mikoyan would be interesting. I don't think they will perform too bad

I'm sure you wouldn't have any problem finding Raptor pilots willing to take up that challenge.
 
I'm sure you wouldn't have any problem finding Raptor pilots willing to take up that challenge.

Yeah, just like Eurofighter pilots. Had the brawl of the single Eurofighter with two F-15E already been verified? The last time I read about it, it was still dubious.
 
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