NASA Moonwalker claims alien cover-up

[n122vu]

Wow. After catching up on this thread, I've suddenly developed a huge headache. That conversation was too close to home, brought back memories from my youth. I started this thread over a year ago, and it has gone necro and been revived twice. I never expected it to take that turn though.

XLR82SPACE, I think you took a couple of things a little too personally there. Glad you guys worked it out though. It's easy to jump into defensive mode when you believe something with such passion and fervor. It's also hard sometimes to collect your thoughts and get them all down before they escape, so sometimes they come out jumbled, right?

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I personally think the objects seen after TLI were the SLA panels. I also don't think the Apollo spacecraft were followed to the moon or being observed on the surface by UFOs or alien spacecraft.

I used to watch the show UFO Hunters to see what they might discover. I used to be very open to the possibility. Now, I find myself wanting to smack those guys because they don't listen to all the facts of the eyewitnesses, and as a result miss perfectly rational explanations for about 95% of the alleged UFO sightings they cover. I can't even watch it anymore because it just frustrates me.

 

[Arrowstar]

That was my fault, actually, I was trying to joke about that and just ended up sounding preachy. Oops. Fixed, thanks for pointing that out.

I can deal, no worries. :lol:

 

[Hmuda]

There are opinions, there are facts, and there are falsehoods. Problems arise when you have opinions which are falsehoods and present them as facts.

I would like to ask for your permission to use this as a signiture quote. Love it.

Nothing to do with what went down here, but still applies to so many situations that I just can't resist.

 

[TMac3000]

I am a UFO skeptic. I'll just state that right up front.

I think the Gulf Breeze sightings are one example that is pretty hard to argue with, but one of the big things that jumps out at me about all UFO sightings is this: There have been hundreds of actual photographs of UFOs, but no actual photographs of the aliens themselves. The traditional gray-skinned, big-eyed creepies that we have come to know and love come from descriptions from supposed eye-witnesses, and drawings of the beings. I find it hard to believe that someone could so easily get pictures of UFOs, but never be able to sneak a picture or two of a "gray".

 

[ThatGuy]

Or maybe it's just that I'm poisonned by chemtrail ? :lol:

Nah, it's the government mind control device.

 

[Hielor]

I would like to ask for your permission to use this as a signiture quote. Love it.

Nothing to do with what went down here, but still applies to so many situations that I just can't resist.

Haha, go for it

 

[Hmuda]

Haha, go for it

Thanks mate. Thought I ask just to be on the safe side.

 

[dansteph]

I used to watch the show UFO Hunters to see what they might discover. I used to be very open to the possibility. Now, I find myself wanting to smack those guys because they don't listen to all the facts

Yes, it's pittyful, I personnaly don't have any problem with peoples beliefe: elves, troll, litle grey or any god, anyone is free, what bother me is when they mix science with that. And such show speak about "science evidence" every 20 seconds when there is none.

We'll end with most of industrial population being completely ignorant and paranoiac.

 

[Tommy]

We'll end with most of industrial population being completely ignorant and paranoiac.

In my experience that is already the case! Look how many Americans still believe that Iraq was involved in the attacks on 9/11, or that Saddam supported Al-Queda. Look how willing they were to sacrifice basic freedoms like personnal privacy (warrantless wiretaps, etc), due process (At least one American Citizen was held at Guantanamo Bay incommunicado and un-charged for over four years) because of paranoia over the "terrorist threat" and WMD's.

I'm not suprised by anything people believe anymore. Astounded, sometimes, but never suprised.

Take the Flat Earth Society. I'd say they've been proven wrong pretty conclusively, yet they persist.

As for Elves, Trolls, Gods, and Aliens, there isn't any reasonably conclusive either way. Believe what you want, I'll keep an open mind.

I'm certainly in agreement with you, Dan. It's certainly annoying when people use bad science to try to prove their point. Happens quite often at the pubs, it seems

 

[Moonwalker]

Flat Earth is nothing. Ever heard of the fake Moon? Yes. The Moon is a fake by the US to be able to fake the Apollo program. Not a joke. Some individuals indeed believe that the Moon is just a projection...

I'm also not surprised at all. Just look at scientology. They believe that humans actually came from the universe something like 4.000 years ago if I remember right. And they came by planes that exactly look like 1950's planes, just without engines. Funny. Ron Hubbard didn't even have something that could be called phantasy.

Anyway, a lot of people all over the world do believe in different and strange things. This won't ever change. And, honestly: how is a deep believe in the myths of the Bible any different? Millions of people all over the world believe in what the Bible tells, everything of it without questioning. To the contrary, some even defend it by faith and seem almost drugged. How many believe in the paradise and in the word of god and deny modern science still within the 21th century? And that's just christians. There are also jews, moslems and others who believe in their holy scriptures and its myths and magic.

But the most intelligent thing I've ever read that was written at a time even before christians and moslems had been "invented" by themselves comes from Buddha and is something like: don't believe in anything because you've heard of it, because people are talking about it, because it had been written in a religious book. Do observe and analyze and live and accept it if you think its reasonable and good.

He was probably way ahead of his time.

 

[eveningsky339]

Yes, it's pittyful, I personnaly don't have any problem with peoples beliefe: elves, troll, litle grey or any god, anyone is free, what bother me is when they mix science with that. And such show speak about "science evidence" every 20 seconds when there is none.

We'll end with most of industrial population being completely ignorant and paranoiac.

To be fair, the idea of extraterrestrials visiting the Earth relatively undetected is more plausible than a lot of the garbage floating around in popular culture.

As for elves, trolls, etc... Well, there's always that 0.000000001% chance, isn't there? We could all be wrong.

 

[Moonwalker]

To be fair, the idea of extraterrestrials visiting the Earth relatively undetected is more plausible than a lot of the garbage floating around in popular culture.

Traveling lightyears to create a few crop circles, to show us a few lights in the sky and say "hello" just to disappear quickly once again, and all that for many decades, is anything but plausible.

We can't seen them and their planet. We can't reach them. But they secretly can see us and reach us? Nah. Nothing more than naive fantasies and myths or hopeless hopes just to entertain a few bored but imaginative people

 

[T.Neo]

The sole reason I don't believe any of the "UFO" nonsense is because of the aliens themselves- instead of wholly original fifteen-legged walking fungi based on silicon, UFO-nuts present us with humanoid lizardmen and "greys" from popular culture, which are extremely unlikely to evolve elsewhere in the universe.

Criticising pseudoscientific piffle is one thing, disrespecting people's beliefs are another. I'd hate to see this thread turned into another religious debate.

 

[Hmuda]

To lighten up the general mood.

 

[Ghostrider]

Aliens *DO* exist - that's why there are border checks.

 

[Moonwalker]

Criticising pseudoscientific piffle is one thing, disrespecting people's beliefs are another.

Criticising pseudoscientific piffle already is disrespecting people's beliefs

 

[T.Neo]

Criticising pseudoscientific piffle already is disrespecting people's beliefs

No. There's a difference between presenting something as belief, and presenting something as science.

 

[simonpro]

I think the obvious conclusion here is that I'm right, Ed Mitchell is wrong and you all owe me a beer.

 

[Urwumpe]

I think the obvious conclusion here is that I'm right, Ed Mitchell is wrong and you all owe me a beer.

For that kind of reasoning, you know that you can only expect alcohol free beer...

 

[Moonwalker]

No. There's a difference between presenting something as belief, and presenting something as science.

Presenting UFO conspiracies as science is nothing more than presenting belief. It is based on superstition and delusion