Orbiter being introduced into the atmosphere.

[ryan]

Hey guys, i've been talking to a friend who thinks orbiter cannot be introduced into a little atmoshperic flight.
Why shouldnt orbiter be rescricted just for spaceflight, if doc makes more for orbiter for the atmosphere of the earth it will introduce a new aspect of flight. It might even add more realism to getting of earth, wind resistance, control.
Juat want to think everyone thinks about introducing this into orbiter, not this realise of orbiter but maybe next one.

 

[Deke]

I never said it couldn't. Don't take what I said out of context. I said it'd be a bit difficult and time consuming.

I've already told you why. I just don't see it getting popular. We have Microsoft Flight Simulator and the sorts for flying Cessnas and what not.

 

[darian]

Microsoft Flight simulator is what you need to attack if you want to get the most out of atmospheric flight. They have awesome weather programs like Active Sky. They simulate everything from wake turbulence to hurricanes, etc.....

 

[Deke]

Microsoft Flight simulator is what you need to attack if you want to get the most out of atmospheric flight. They have awesome weather programs like Active Sky. They simulate everything from wake turbulence to hurricanes, etc.....

Ah yeah. I once put up similar weather to a Cat. 5 hurricane around New Orleans International.

I got in my Cessna from small strip in Arkansas, flew straight south into it.

You can pretty much assume what happened...

 

[ryan]

Ah yeah. I once put up similar weather to a Cat. 5 hurricane around New Orleans International.

I got in my Cessna from small strip in Arkansas, flew straight south into it.

You can pretty much assume what happened...

Well some people cant really afford sometimes for FSX and others like that and FSX will be quiet hard to fine in my area.

 

[Deke]

Well some people cant really afford sometimes for FSX and others like that and FSX will be quiet hard to fine in my area.

Any electronic store usually carries it. I'm sure you have a Best Buy, Circuit City, or a Wal*Mart, or a variant of the type.

And $60, not THAT expensive, not for what you get from it. Which is A LOT.

 

[Urwumpe]

And $60, not THAT expensive, not for what you get from it. Which is A LOT.

Add 500 for the hardware upgrade

I think Orbiter should really have a better atmosphere engine, as we still have no exoatmospheric drag. But I don't think Orbiter needs to be a flight simulator inside the atmosphere. And if you want it, make a add-on module for it.

 

[Deke]

Add 500 for the hardware upgrade

That's Micro$oft for you.

 

[David]

I think that including atmospheric effects, makes the simulation more complete, and I very much like the idea of enhancement of any such features, in Orbiter, to the maximum extent that is achievable. As it is, some basics are there, and reentry is great fun; weather effects would make it even better. And planetary terrain, with pertinent collision-modelling, would make atmospheric, or other near-surface, flight even more better (actually, there is work proceeding, on this, by Artlav, with his Orulex add-on).

 

[darian]

Add 500 for the hardware upgrade

I think Orbiter should really have a better atmosphere engine, as we still have no exoatmospheric drag. But I don't think Orbiter needs to be a flight simulator inside the atmosphere. And if you want it, make a add-on module for it.

What, Orbiter's atmosphere is not simulated, I'm a little confused now. How can the Shuttle glide to the runway if the atmosphere isn't simulated.

 

[pandadude]

Add 500 for the hardware upgrade
.

And also double the price of the game if you're planning on buying it in Australia!

 

[Deke]

I think some of you are missing the point... Ryan wants atomospheric flight in Orbiter. Such as Cessnas, etc. like we already have to an extent, but he wants it along the lines to contend with FSX.

 

[darian]

I think some of you are missing the point... Ryan wants atomospheric flight in Orbiter. Such as Cessnas, etc. like we already have to an extent, but he wants it along the lines to contend with FSX.

Ok, so Orbiter does simulate Atmosphere and all its physical elements right. Urwumpe stated that "Drag" wasn't simulated that's what I was referring to.

Ahh I see here that "exo-atmosphere" is what Urwumpe was referring to. I've never heard of that before, got me on this one.

 

[Urwumpe]

Ahh I see here that "exo-atmosphere" is what Urwumpe was referring to. I've never heard of that before, got me on this one.

Exo-atmospheric drag is the drag experienced in the lower Earth Orbits, which are still inside Earths atmosphere (top limit is hard to tell, but generally between 800 und 1500 km, depending on solar activity).

I don't know a better term for it, as most LEO orbits are actually in the thermosphere...

 

[tl8]

Hey guys, i've been talking to a friend who thinks orbiter cannot be introduced into a little atmoshperic flight.
Why shouldnt orbiter be rescricted just for spaceflight, if doc makes more for orbiter for the atmosphere of the earth it will introduce a new aspect of flight. It might even add more realism to getting of earth, wind resistance, control.
Juat want to think everyone thinks about introducing this into orbiter, not this realise of orbiter but maybe next one.

The main difference from Orbiter to FSX is the size of the operating environment. FSX's is tiny compared to Orbiter.

That said, the current physics system is very flexible, I think(Can some one confirm) the major primary physical(physics) change is variable Dynamic Pressure and wind.

I think pretty much anything else can be done using a dll.

Of course this will take time and may not happen for a while.

 

[simonpro]

Exo-atmospheric drag is the drag experienced in the lower Earth Orbits, which are still inside Earths atmosphere (top limit is hard to tell, but generally between 800 und 1500 km, depending on solar activity).

I submitted a version of the atmosphere a while back that contained updated information allowing Orbiter to simulate exoatmospheric drag (can't think of a better term either). Not entirely sure what happened to it, maybe someone on here still has that. I lost it last time I got a new laptop.

 

[Urwumpe]

I submitted a version of the atmosphere a while back that contained updated information allowing Orbiter to simulate exoatmospheric drag (can't think of a better term either). Not entirely sure what happened to it, maybe someone on here still has that. I lost it last time I got a new laptop.

Well, there is also the problem that most spacecraft in Orbiter don't model this drag (high Knudsen numbers) correctly. And I am not sure if Orbiters physics engine can integrate such low accelerations correctly.

 

[martins]

I submitted a version of the atmosphere a while back that contained updated information allowing Orbiter to simulate exoatmospheric drag (can't think of a better term either). Not entirely sure what happened to it, maybe someone on here still has that. I lost it last time I got a new laptop.

Ah that's a shame. I still have it, but only the DLL (Earth.dll), no sources. I still haven't got around to properly test it ...:blush:. But if you lost the sources, I am not sure how much good the DLL will be.

 

[Urwumpe]

There is also still my Titan atmosphere enhancement, which added a atmosphere profile to Titan, with data for up to 1300 km altitude, if I remember correctly. The sources had been included in the add-on, it just lacked a ephemeris module and used linear interpolation, instead of exponential.

But still nothing impossible.

 

[tblaxland]

Well some people cant really afford sometimes for FSX and others like that and FSX will be quiet hard to fine in my area.

On the odd occasion I feel the need for atmospheric flight, Flightgear fits the bill and the price is just right too