Request Any SLS and Orion MPCV in development?

Weird. I haven't tried to do that. But I will try. Were you just loading the core or a complete vessel? I don't think you can do that from Scn editor. As the vessel is the core + fairing,....
 
Astro SG Wise said:
If you are referring to the test run you sent, yes. I tried it last night, but it froze. Wish I could have seen it! When I try to make the slscore with scenario editor, the program freezes.
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gattispilot said:
Weird. I haven't tried to do that. But I will try. Were you just loading the core or a complete vessel? I don't think you can do that from Scn editor. As the vessel is the core + fairing,....
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I think he is only talking about the SLS's core. At any rate, Velcro rockets are made up of parts(first stages, cores, boosters, upper stages, fairings, etc) which are all vessels in there own right, and are assembled with lines written in the scenario file to say what attaches to whom, and how. If you simply spawn a part(or parts) in-sim, your missing the stuff that glues it into a rocket. Since users shouldn't be spawning the individual parts in-sim, you could easily sweep this under the rug, grumble 'outside operating norms' and get on with development.

Could just as well look in to it anyway, as it could indicate a problem we didn't know we had. I don't have a Orbiter install at the moment, otherwise I'd see if I could reproduce this. Astro SG Wise, I suggest you try spawning the SLS core again via the scenario editor, and posting your Orbiter.log file after Orbiter freezes- if it doesn't freeze, let us know here on the forum so we can lay this to rest.
 
Yes. I just tried and I could load a core but because velcro rockets uses the part you can not easily add the rocket. You could also ways edit an scenario.

I am in the process of redoing the meshes and cfg and scenarios. Maybe Skylab II, next.

I have redone the scenarios. So I have SLS70 CREW AND SLS105 CARGO and Crew. SLS130 CREW AND CARGO.

What should the sls 105 crew have below the Orion?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71242599/sls105crew.jpg

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sls70crew_zps69445f79.jpg


I lengthen the ICPS body. It seems there are different versions of the EUS and ICPS around.
EUS
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Z86.jpg

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Z71.jpg

ICPS:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Z2A9-350x138.jpg

I need to watch the video to see if the Spacecraft adapter stays with the ICPS or is jettison away with the panels?
 
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In the second link you provided that perceived extra length is actually the payload fairing below the Orion (holding extra cargo) and appears to be tapered. It's not a different length variant of the EUS.

The picture's perspective doesn't do that much justice, though.
 
Wait So the EUS and ICPS are the same length? Just different diameters? I know the ICPS is 5 meters in diameter and the EUS 8.4m.

I have seen the EUS have a black/white ribbed top and the ICPS appears white with a grey stripe.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System[/ame]

from here the ICPS is 5 meters diameter and 13.7 M long

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System[/ame]

EUS diameter is 8.4. I thought the length was 19?
Looking at more photos. It looks like the upper body might be the same length as the EUS but because of the Orion adapter which tapers out looks longer. The grey line is the separation joint.
 
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No, the ICPS and the EUS are different lengths. I've heard the EUS is NTE (Not To Exceed) 60 ft. Here's a recent NSF article for more.

2014-10-12-15_40_26-https___prod.nais_.nasa_.gov_eps_eps_data_162784-OTHER-001-001.pdf-350x291.jpg


It's best to remember the EUS is extremely notional right now. So as long as you don't exceed 60 ft, and follow other specifications that are still available (earlier post), you're still fine.
 
Thanks. I will use that image as a scale. I get the ICPS at 5 x 9m length and the EUS 8.4 x 18M. Which is about 59 feet. The ICPS seems too short.
 
From the base of the RL-10 nozzle extension when extended to the very tip of the LH2 tank forward dome, the ICPS is 12.6 m in length.
 
OK. So 5 x 12.6. Is there a good side view of it so I can scale it to get the right dimensions
 
ISProgram said:
It's best to remember the EUS is extremely notional right now. So as long as you don't exceed 60 ft, and follow other specifications that are still available (earlier post), you're still fine.
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True, I'm not finding anything definitive about the EUS other than it's under development.
 
gattispilot said:
OK. So 5 x 12.6. Is there a good side view of it so I can scale it to get the right dimensions
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Just Google either Delta Cryogenic Upper Stage or Delta Cryogenic Second Stage.
 
orbitingpluto said:
I think he is only talking about the SLS's core. At any rate, Velcro rockets are made up of parts(first stages, cores, boosters, upper stages, fairings, etc) which are all vessels in there own right, and are assembled with lines written in the scenario file to say what attaches to whom, and how. If you simply spawn a part(or parts) in-sim, your missing the stuff that glues it into a rocket. Since users shouldn't be spawning the individual parts in-sim, you could easily sweep this under the rug, grumble 'outside operating norms' and get on with development.

Could just as well look in to it anyway, as it could indicate a problem we didn't know we had. I don't have a Orbiter install at the moment, otherwise I'd see if I could reproduce this. Astro SG Wise, I suggest you try spawning the SLS core again via the scenario editor, and posting your Orbiter.log file after Orbiter freezes- if it doesn't freeze, let us know here on the forum so we can lay this to rest.
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Sorry about getting it late. I first tried the entire scenario, and it fails every time. I think I have everything, Ares V and so on, but it still freezes. After that I tried the core stage in scenario editor, and that freezed too.

Also, I will get to re-spawning that core as well.
 
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For my scenario you don't need Ares V. Which scenario and what does the log say?
 
I don't have it right now, but the log didn't say anything. It said (well, I thought) that it had loaded the scenarios and such. I thought it might have something to do with the LM, so I went and deleted it in the scn file. I will have to get that actual log.
 
Here is the latest ICPS with the Orion
SLS70CREWicps_zps572242a9.jpg


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Looking at options. With one rocket could the Orion and Altair be launched?
 
gattispilot said:
[/COLOR]Looking at options. With one rocket could the Orion and Altair be launched?
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Looks great.

I was thinking about this too. Seeing as the interstage cover on the SLS for the EUS is larger would it be possible for the smaller ICUS and an Altair to fit in that space. You really don't need an upper stage as large as the EUS to get to the moon.
 
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