Are We headed into a new Cold War

[Chipstone306]

discussion for all.
Do you agree or disagree that due to recent international events we are headed into a new Cold War with Russia

 

[Kaito]

Disclaimer: Anything I say is not meant to infringe on other peoples opinions. This is how i feel whether it is right or not.

I honestly feel that the cold war never actually ended. We all know Russia still has nukes, and we still have nukes, and the nukes are there to prevent each other from using them (whatever sense that makes). I think we should just avoid Russia to avoid going into another war. We can't afford one (both metaphorically and literally)

 

[TSPenguin]

I agree with Kaito. Technicaly it never ended. It just wasn't present in peoples minds, thinking that russia was weak.
Ever since the era Putin russia is escalating again. Basicaly they are trying to get their hands on as many oil and oil infrastructure as possible. Just like the U.S..

 

[SiberianTiger]

A question: is there a cold war between US and China today?

 

[Jarvitä]

A question: is there a cold war between US and China today?

No, because China is a valuable trade partner, which allows the US to disregard the ideological differences and human rights issues that guide their relationship to Russia.

 

[YL3GDY]

Nope. It is not well-known, but the new Cold War can't start, because it's going on now between US, Russia, China et cetera. The main difference is that they don't speak a lot about it.

 

[n122vu]

No, because China is a valuable trade partner, which allows the US to disregard the ideological differences and human rights issues that guide their relationship to Russia.

Agreed. If we did not value their trade, things would be different.

On this day:
1972 - Due to its racial policies, Rhodesia was asked to withdraw from the 20th Olympic Summer Games. (My, how things have changed)

 

[Eagle]

For a few years there may be some reduced friendliness between the US and Russia. But I don't expect anything like a return of the Cold War. Maybe a micro-chilly-disagreement.

 

[Kaito]

I really dislike Russia for one reason: They have nukes.
I like to be in power (I'm not power hungry, but if i have it, i like it). I know not to always trust people, and with Russia having the power of nukes...I dislike it.
I know the whole "Nuclear arms treaty", but as i've experienced with Dodge ball, treaties only are in effect until they are broken. And the person who breaks it has the upper hand.

 

[Kyle]

Ya, the Cold War never really ended.

 

[GregBurch]

If there is a new Cold War, it will last until the US has achieved energy independence. From the day that happens, Russia's power will wane.

And we can be energy independent. It only takes the will and leadership to do it.

 

[Chipstone306]

Perhaps Greg i should have worded it as an Energy Cold War? interesting idea....

 

[Eagle]

And we can be energy independent. It only takes the will and leadership to do it.

That may actually happen this time. I think enough people are pissed at the price of gas to see some lasting changes. I know I'm not going to buy anything that costs more than $30 to fill up.

 

[Urwumpe]

I think we have no true cold war these days. We have diplomatic disagreements. But we still HAVE diplomatics. How many of you remember the cold war before Gorbachev? 40 years ago, Warsaw Pact tanks crushed the peaceful uprising in Czechoslovakia for a "socialism with a human face".

Is the world now exactly the same? No. I am sure not. the old division of the world does no longer exist. And the conflicts we see today between Russia, USA and China, maybe even Iran, are just the conflicts forming the new division of the world.

 

[ryan]

discussion for all.
Do you agree or disagree that due to recent international events we are headed into a new Cold War with Russia

I have to questions, who are you classifying as we? and also i sure hope not were heading into one of those again. Never know there might a race for Mars this time.

 

[GregBurch]

It would help to have some common understanding of what a "Cold War" is. I would propose that the following are characteristics meant by the term when it is used:

• long-term conflict
• opposing blocs centered around major-power opponents
• conflict through proxies
• conflict across broad range of specific issues

If those are taken to be defining criteria for a "Cold War" then, yes, we could be heading into a period that could be characterized that way.

 

[Chipstone306]

I have to questions, who are you classifying as we? and also i sure hope not were heading into one of those again. Never know there might a race for Mars this time.

What i mean by that Ryan is we refers to the NATO countries

 

[Urwumpe]

I don't think we have a long term conflict with Russia - we have often small conflicts. That is no cold war, which is different to a hot war only in the aspect, that there are no direct clashes of the armies.

 

[GregBurch]

I don't think we have a long term conflict with Russia - we have often small conflicts. That is no cold war, which is different to a hot war only in the aspect, that there are no direct clashes of the armies.

This is certainly a reasonable view, because the conflict with Russia currently is also like great-power conflict in the 19th century, i.e. much more geo-political in a pure sense of being about positions on the map and strategic resources. Two main elements that distinguish current conflict from the "classic" Cold War are the absence of an explicitly ideological element and a concomitant absence of existential threat -- no Khrushchev banging his shoe on the podium at the UN and hollering that he will bury us.

 

[Urwumpe]

no Khrushchev banging his shoe on the podium at the UN and hollering that he will bury us.

Which is still interesting, as Khrushchev was clearly the least dogmatic of all USSR leaders. He just knew how to make the tail wag the dog.