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That said, I have no idea what a 'plauge' is, so maybe it's good advice...
It's something like a Rouge Angle of Satin.
Question Best Place to Immigrate?
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It's something like a Rouge Angle of Satin.
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I don't mean to de-rail the thread, but I've always been curious about living in another country too - America, Canada and Australia also tempt me because there is no new language to learn, and because they just look like nice places. However, any research I've done leads me to the same conclusion - you've got to be extremely lucky or talented in a particular area to even have a hope of relocating and working abroad. I'll have a physics masters degree if all goes to plan in 4 years - is this something which would be useful for work abroad? Is it easy to find jobs abroad if you are in another country? I suppose there is also the option of temporary work which sounds just as interesting. Thanks.
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Seriously? Try watching Mr Crocodile Dundee in the original, not American-dubbed version, and we'll talk again.
My personal list would be:
1. USA (lot's of cool, crazy and innovative people; freedom almost like nowhere else if you have money)
2. Canada (large landscapes, a relatively small population and a nice climate)
3. Northern European countries (basically due to the cold climate and small populations)
I would recommend Germany for people from countries with Christian roots however. The problem hugely is certain conservative (but also non-conservative) Islamic cultures, which do not mix with the German-Christian culture and our legal system, which does arouse an unpleasant atmosphere especially in overcrowded areas like the Ruhr area in which I do live. Politicians and people who don't live in such regions might think they have got a clue and an objective worldview, but they mostly don't have any clue at all like Roth, Stroebele, Trittin or other Green Party politicans (Stroebele and Trittin are anti-Germany anyway).
I don't think that there is a special blindness in the German police. The danger of the right-wing extremism just is hugely exaggerated by the media and certain politicians and journalists. Left-wing extremism is no less an issue. Both have to be watched carefully, but left-wing extremism even more. I am not worried because of 6.000 Nazi blockheads. Their party (NPD) has not a single seat in the Bundestag. I am worried because of 70.000 leftwingers and over 70 seats in the Bundestag. They are mostly no left-wing extremists though. But just by reading their preamble it becomes obvious why the constitution protection is active. In the end it's still the former socialistic GDR party, only combined and held together with other leftwingers because of a personal revenge campaign by a frustrated politician (Oskar Lafontaine) and an entertaining lawyer and former GDR party politician (Gregor Gysi).
1. USA (lot's of cool, crazy and innovative people; freedom almost like nowhere else if you have money)
2. Canada (large landscapes, a relatively small population and a nice climate)
3. Northern European countries (basically due to the cold climate and small populations)
I would recommend Germany for people from countries with Christian roots however. The problem hugely is certain conservative (but also non-conservative) Islamic cultures, which do not mix with the German-Christian culture and our legal system, which does arouse an unpleasant atmosphere especially in overcrowded areas like the Ruhr area in which I do live. Politicians and people who don't live in such regions might think they have got a clue and an objective worldview, but they mostly don't have any clue at all like Roth, Stroebele, Trittin or other Green Party politicans (Stroebele and Trittin are anti-Germany anyway).
I don't think that there is a special blindness in the German police. The danger of the right-wing extremism just is hugely exaggerated by the media and certain politicians and journalists. Left-wing extremism is no less an issue. Both have to be watched carefully, but left-wing extremism even more. I am not worried because of 6.000 Nazi blockheads. Their party (NPD) has not a single seat in the Bundestag. I am worried because of 70.000 leftwingers and over 70 seats in the Bundestag. They are mostly no left-wing extremists though. But just by reading their preamble it becomes obvious why the constitution protection is active. In the end it's still the former socialistic GDR party, only combined and held together with other leftwingers because of a personal revenge campaign by a frustrated politician (Oskar Lafontaine) and an entertaining lawyer and former GDR party politician (Gregor Gysi).
There's no place like home ... there's no place like home ... there's no place like home ...
It all really doesn't matter. Take the case a few years ago of the fellow living in the Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, Canada. He decided that he was going to move his family to the least likely place on Earth for there to be a war. He sat down with his family, consulted his globe ... and then moved his family.
To the Falkland Islands, six months before the Argentinians invaded ...
It all really doesn't matter. Take the case a few years ago of the fellow living in the Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, Canada. He decided that he was going to move his family to the least likely place on Earth for there to be a war. He sat down with his family, consulted his globe ... and then moved his family.
To the Falkland Islands, six months before the Argentinians invaded ...
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For post-soviet people that's betrayal mixed with backside licking.
At least that's how some migrants i knew describe it.
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Same here. The last one who tried that unofficially here, had to run... I saw him leave a note at my car about the parking order, which I obeyed to the letter... and he did not want to talk to me. I go wild when somebody damages my car... :lol:
Is it nice there? I work for a Swiss company but have never been invited to the Swiss side of the fence.
I have to put in a vote for the US because of the climate and tolerance outside of the cities. I live near Boston and the difference between Boston and the towns 20 miles away is astounding. The same goes for Providence in RI. Both cities have crime, gangs, drugs and all manner of nastyness but 20 miles away you have farm land and nice people. OH, don't forget the wonderful docks and shipyard in Stoughton MA. They are a pretty amazing sight. They were the setting for one of the episodes of the TV show "Fringe". :rofl:
I just can't let this go..........
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Hi Eccentrus,
I think you have to consider a series of aspects to decide what would be the most appropriate country to move to. Aspects like what is your current professional activity, what you want next in your career, cultural background, lifestyle, weather, etc. I personaly have emigrated recently (from Brazil to Spain) and I understand your concern, all the questions, etc.
I think you have to consider a series of aspects to decide what would be the most appropriate country to move to. Aspects like what is your current professional activity, what you want next in your career, cultural background, lifestyle, weather, etc. I personaly have emigrated recently (from Brazil to Spain) and I understand your concern, all the questions, etc.
Do a spreadsheet with what you want in your next country of residence and attribute scores to the elements. Then research it, then decide if the place really looks like it's interesting... If you have the $$$ for it, visit it before hand as a tourist... and don't tell any officials (border agents, etc.) you're looking to move there until you are actually moving there.
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I cast my vote for the United States.
My main reasoning is that the US is extremely diverse. If you and your family come here and don't like where you are living, there are literally thousands of different places you could go that are drastically different than each other. From the rainy northwest, to the maritime New England, to the hot and dry south west and everywhere in between, you can choose from almost any climate you want.
Another factor is that we have a lot of immigrants here, so no one is really hostile to them. After all, at some point in all of our families' histories, there were immigrants. You may hear stories about immigrants being discriminated against, but these are not as common as the media makes them seem, I swear.
I would imagine finding a job could be somewhat difficult, but not more so than anywhere else in this economy.
I hear that the immigration process can be very long and hard though, so that is something to definitely consider. If this move is going to be permanent, at least for the foreseeable future, I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. Other countries can offer some of these things, but very few others can offer all of them.
My main reasoning is that the US is extremely diverse. If you and your family come here and don't like where you are living, there are literally thousands of different places you could go that are drastically different than each other. From the rainy northwest, to the maritime New England, to the hot and dry south west and everywhere in between, you can choose from almost any climate you want.
Another factor is that we have a lot of immigrants here, so no one is really hostile to them. After all, at some point in all of our families' histories, there were immigrants. You may hear stories about immigrants being discriminated against, but these are not as common as the media makes them seem, I swear.
I would imagine finding a job could be somewhat difficult, but not more so than anywhere else in this economy.
I hear that the immigration process can be very long and hard though, so that is something to definitely consider. If this move is going to be permanent, at least for the foreseeable future, I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons. Other countries can offer some of these things, but very few others can offer all of them.
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Hi Eccentrus,
There are of course pros and cons to all the places you have listed, and which have been suggested since your first post.
I'll try to give you some useful info on Australia without recommending it over the other places.
Australia's annual refugee intake is 13,750. There is growing bi-partisan support for raising this number to around 20,000. But even with an entirely legitimate claim the process can be long and difficult. New Zealand has a better record of quick processing.
Skilled migration however, is another story altogether. Historically Australia has had a shortage of skilled labour and there are over 100,000 places for skilled migrants in the annual intake. If you can wait until you finish your medical studies, migrating might be fairly straightforward.
Chinese Australians have a long and rich history. The biggest Chinese population is in Sydney, but I imagine a skilled migrant application from a medical professional would be even stronger if you were prepared to live in a smaller city or regional area.
This website may help: http://www.immi.gov.au/
A third option is to come on a student visa, and build connections that will help you stay. Though that might be expensive as I believe you would have to pay fees (we haven't had free university education since 1987 but citizens can defer payments until they are working and their income is above 30K).
As for climate, the southeast can get quite cold in winter, the north and northeast would be more like what you're used to, albeit far less humid.
As for general pros and cons I would say:
Pros = strong social provisions, high wages, low crime rates, growing cultural diversity, and a place in the region you are already in.
Cons = historical problem with racism: this has changed through time and is now focused almost entirely on Middle-Eastern and South Asian asylum seekers (and sadly our own indigenous population). I'd like to agree with a previous poster that most of it comes from an ignorant minority but it is also true that mainstream politicians haven't helped much, especially over the last ten years. But the age of discrimination against East Asians is essentially over.
Hope this helps
PS. Caveat: the above is an educated opinion but my advice on immigration is not expert advice by any stretch.
There are of course pros and cons to all the places you have listed, and which have been suggested since your first post.
I'll try to give you some useful info on Australia without recommending it over the other places.
Australia's annual refugee intake is 13,750. There is growing bi-partisan support for raising this number to around 20,000. But even with an entirely legitimate claim the process can be long and difficult. New Zealand has a better record of quick processing.
Skilled migration however, is another story altogether. Historically Australia has had a shortage of skilled labour and there are over 100,000 places for skilled migrants in the annual intake. If you can wait until you finish your medical studies, migrating might be fairly straightforward.
Chinese Australians have a long and rich history. The biggest Chinese population is in Sydney, but I imagine a skilled migrant application from a medical professional would be even stronger if you were prepared to live in a smaller city or regional area.
This website may help: http://www.immi.gov.au/
A third option is to come on a student visa, and build connections that will help you stay. Though that might be expensive as I believe you would have to pay fees (we haven't had free university education since 1987 but citizens can defer payments until they are working and their income is above 30K).
As for climate, the southeast can get quite cold in winter, the north and northeast would be more like what you're used to, albeit far less humid.
As for general pros and cons I would say:
Pros = strong social provisions, high wages, low crime rates, growing cultural diversity, and a place in the region you are already in.
Cons = historical problem with racism: this has changed through time and is now focused almost entirely on Middle-Eastern and South Asian asylum seekers (and sadly our own indigenous population). I'd like to agree with a previous poster that most of it comes from an ignorant minority but it is also true that mainstream politicians haven't helped much, especially over the last ten years. But the age of discrimination against East Asians is essentially over.
Hope this helps
PS. Caveat: the above is an educated opinion but my advice on immigration is not expert advice by any stretch.
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my studies, even the residency, will be finished in 7 years, and I do think that if a nasty thing is going to happen here, it's going to be later than that, but then again, one should be ready for whatever circumstances that might happen right? Good to know that healthcare professionals is practically welcome in every country I listed 
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Good to know that healthcare professionals is practically welcome in every country I listed
The one field that will always be in demand eh?:lol:
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