SDK Question Change Material setting

[DaveS]

You need to switch over to the Metalness shader. This can be be done through the D3D9 Debug Controls and ensuring that the Default Shader is set to Metalness PBR for all the various mesh groups.

 

[gattispilot]

I did switch to the Metalness PBR. But what should the setting be?

 

[DaveS]

Just play around with the Metalness and Smoothness settings until you get something that looks right.

 

[gattispilot]

I got this:
MATERIAL 1
REFLECT 0.800000 0.800000 0.800000
SMOOTHNESS 0.100000 0.100000
METALNESS 0.000000

I wish it was more reflective.
It looked like I could get more reflective but the texture would be darker

 

[gattispilot]

I get this. What is odd materials I did not adjust seem more reflective than the ones I adjusted. You can see the sun reflect on the rcs port but not on the hull?

CONFIG_VERSION 3
; =============================================
MESH MeshIdx-0
SHADER Metalness
; ---------------------------------------------
MATERIAL 33
REFLECT 0.800000 0.800000 0.800000
SMOOTHNESS 0.100000 0.100000
METALNESS 0.000000
; =============================================
MESH MeshIdx-3
SHADER Metalness
; ---------------------------------------------
MATERIAL 1
REFLECT 0.800000 0.800000 0.800000
SMOOTHNESS 0.100000 0.100000

if it matters the material settings are:
MATERIAL orionhatch
0.878431 0.878431 0.878431 1.000000
0.878431 0.878431 0.878431 1.000000
1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 20
0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
MATERIAL material01ORIONSKIN1
0.878431 0.878431 0.878431 1.000000
0.878431 0.878431 0.878431 1.000000
1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 20
0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000

reflection in the circled area. but not the main hull or cover?


So now on the interior the exterior is being reflected inside?

 

[jarmonik]

Here is a pretty good reference chart for metalness and smoothness https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/StandardShaderMaterialCharts.html

reflection in the circled area. but not the main hull or cover?
So now on the interior the exterior is being reflected inside?

1. You need to apply the metalness shader to every mesh for a consistency.
2. You need to apply metalness and smoothness parameters to every material. If not applied then defaults are used which may not be what you want the see.
3. You can remove REFLECT values from the config file. They are not used in Metalness shader.
4. Keep the second value in SMOOTHNESS as 1.0 unless you use a roughness texture map and need to change it's gamma curve.
5. Making something more reflective will make the diffuse surface dimmer. Can you see what's the color of a mirror ? More surface reflects less color it has it's own.

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. So as I understand it
On all mesh groups I need to apply the metalness shader. and apply to each material

 

[gattispilot]

This is weird. So I got the shinyness set. But the interior has issues. Reflections of the outside in.
And you can see the VC is highlighted Purple but go to the vc view and it is not highlighted. In the VC view no mesh groups are highlighted. If I put it on display the mesh group I can scroll thru the list and not see anything

There is no cfg file

 

[jarmonik]

At this point interior reflections are not yet supported (but I am working on it) so it's better to stay in a regular DX7 alike mesh/material setup for now when doing VC stuff. If metalness shader is used then interior material smoothness should be rough enough that no reflections are displayed.

EDIT: I have noticed that the "pick" doesn't always work in a VC environment, it's probably picking something that's behind camera. I'll have to check what's wrong with the "display mesh group" option. These issues are likely fixed when I am able to create the new version of the mesh debugger that's in the plans.

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. On the interior I don't want any reflections. I wonder if I should be using an older version

 

[gattispilot]

So where can I get older versions of d3d9? and will the newest GC files work in older versions?

 

[jacquesmomo]

So where can I get older versions of d3d9? and will the newest GC files work in older versions?

If I can help you....

I have these old version (may be other older on a extern disk) :