News COVID-19 pandemic

[birdmanmike]

Ah, Messe I believe . . .

 

[Notebook]

http://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support...atellite_with_global_mission_tested_for_space

 

[richfororbit]

I guess, with places opening up again, Ron Paul was probably correct, the way its going.:uhh:

 

[jedidia]

Switzerland allowing assemblies of up to 30 people on saturday, with the plan to expand that to 300 7 days later if the case numbers remain as low as expected. We've had very little new cases over the past month, and reopening schools and partly reopening public places and restaurants a couple weeks back went without significant increases.

Quite frankly, it's more the opening of the border that I'm worried about. Not that I think they shouldn't be reopened at some point, but if we're getting a new outbreak, it'll probably be imported...

Also, fencing resumed! YARRRR, have at thee! :lol:

 

[richfororbit]

I gave this a little, tyrants just wanting power, not a big deal as those in the know first claimed it would be.

They could be wrong, herd immunity, this and that, he does keep focusing on the Federal reserve, and the economy, and large companies making a lot of money, and getting it from the government. His co host did say that.

 

[steph]

They're still not contact tracing in France, at least not everywhere. The French CDC decides which companies/factories to test at random. So pretty much wherever they test (which is not a lot), a few cases pop up and they shut down the thing for two weeks. A few companies decided to get tests themselves, and voila, again, cases. Though, depending on the test, those may be false positives.

Now they've pretty much let the people do the test in private labs if they want to, but it's not mandatory and they have to pay for it, which led to both ends of the madness scale. Pretty clearly ill people which refused to take the test and keep going from medical establishments trying to find out what's wrong, and you can't turn them away because technically they're not confirmed cases, but also people who waltz around with a negative result although they too are symptomatic and probably have covid, just that the test isn't that accurate.

Honestly, I'm amazed how we're not in the second wave already here

 

[Urwumpe]

100,000 laboratory-confirmed cases is not low....

 

[dr_snekkyl]

Ron Paul was probably correct, the way its going.:uhh:

You best start believing in happenings. Youre in one.

 

[Notebook]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-52833546/why-i-recreated-my-local-pub-in-virtual-reality

I think I've been there...

 

[richfororbit]

You best start believing in happenings. Youre in one.

It isn't about that. It is his position and questioning of what has happened. Now those protests that have taken place in the US, where the fatality is over 100,000 has just been swept under the carpet.

Nobody seems to care that much. What has happened recently, people are just fed up, and not seeing it as a big deal.

I've been thinking that for those in the UK, the one hundred forty seven billionaires , which a good many are in london, can help pay several million to help with the cost instead of borrowing so much.

 

[mahdavi3d]

the-scientist.com : Researchers Applaud Spanish COVID-19 Serological Survey

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The Spanish study, on the other hand, earned the praise of epidemiologists and virologists who say that both the test and the design of the survey were successful. Chris Sempos, a nutritional epidemiologist who works with the National Institutes of Health and recently published a preprint showing how data from serology tests can be analyzed to produce the most accurate estimates, says, “Everyone’s trying to do a good job, and they don’t have much time right now. . . . Overall, I was very impressed with the Spanish survey.” He adds that, based on the accuracy of the tests, it’s possible that the true prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 exposure in Spain is around 6 percent instead of 5 percent, but he “wouldn’t say that’s qualitatively different.”
{...}

nature.com : What’s the risk that animals will spread the coronavirus?

theconversation.com : The mysterious disappearance of the first SARS virus, and why we need a vaccine for the current one but didn’t for the other

 

[Urwumpe]

Meanwhile in Germany, the city of Göttingen is quickly imposing new restrictions after multiple Muslim families, most living in the same apartment block, had to celebrate the end of Ramadan together and inside officially closed Shisha bars - in really dire violation of the COVID-19 rules in Lower Saxony (and even in violation of the recommendations of their religious community). 105 cases now there in a short time and 220 first-order contacts.

All schools and multiple sports clubs have to close now because of the contacts, a nursing home also has to be restricted and tested after one employee is among the first order contacts. Also a public pool, because one employee there was tested positive.

Its now all about isolating and testing to make sure this outbreak stops.

Also, Berlin is showing a strong increase in new case numbers...

 

[jedidia]

Meanwhile, something like 3 new infections this week in Switzerland after lowering restrictions by the end of last week. Looking good for another significant lowering (events with up to 300 people) planned for next week.
It has always been the swiss contradiction that everybody complains about the rules as loud as they can, but almost everybody also sticks to them.

---------- Post added 06-05-20 at 06:08 AM ---------- Previous post was 06-04-20 at 12:22 PM ----------

Vox made a (in my opinion) unnecessarily emotional, but still very informative short video on the difficulty to assess the lethality of covid-19:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qdd7kirwIk&feature=youtu.be

By now I have just come to accept the insertion of unnecessary drama into every bit of useful information as "required for US audiences"...

Also, I found this article here rather interesting. It's not from a scientific journal, but I couldn't have told by the quality. I know next to nothing about medicine, so I can't vouch for it other than the quality and tone of writing and the citing of serious sources:

https://elemental.medium.com/corona...isease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

 

[4throck]

most living in the same apartment block

Same here but with Gypsies. It's a community that still lives quite separate from the rest of society, usually in large families.
But it's happening in rough neighborhoods in general, unrelated to this or that ethical group.

Where poverty leads to house sharing the virus spreads. Specially now with many jobs gone. People don't have where to go, so they roam around the neighborhood.

The number of cases is going up around the Lisbon area because of these issues.

 

[richfororbit]

Nobody cares, I saw two middle aged men shaking hands in the street.

I gave this a watch.

 

[mahdavi3d]

:facepalm:

 

[tl8]

NZ are removing all restrictions except the Closed international border as of Midnight.

 

[Notebook]

Lockdowns have saved more than three million lives from coronavirus in Europe, a study estimates.
The team at Imperial College London said the "death toll would have been huge" without lockdown.
But they warned that only a small proportion of people had been infected and we were still only "at the beginning of the pandemic".
Another study argued global lockdowns had "saved more lives, in a shorter period of time, than ever before".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52968523

 

[richfororbit]

People on the other side would state, well the figures were worse at the beginning, and turned out not to be that bad. Isn't the yearly fatalities from flu still over 500,000.

The economies will be completely wrecked by christmas. So a virus will turn into a deadly financial mess. Its do or don't until a cure.h:

 

[Urwumpe]

People on the other side would state, well the figures were worse at the beginning, and turned out not to be that bad. Isn't the yearly fatalities from flu still over 500,000.

If the flu would give you yearly fatalities of 500,000, you should really consider getting a working health care system... Thats a IFR of 0.15%, about five times higher as in the rest of the world (0.04%). When a really bad influenza virus is going around, we get 70,000 deaths in EU, despite having about 100,000 citizens more than the USA.



Also, the CDC says something else about the seasonal flu:



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

BTW, the (rather high) global estimate for the IFR of COVID-19 is 1.04%. Which includes countries with really poor health care system. Yes, if your health care system would be that bad, this means 1% of the US population will die in the pandemic. Thats almost 3.5 million people.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.20098780v1