did you see the 12 death at foxconn

[Urwumpe]

There is still no complete minimum wage in German law, the ruling is that the salary is immoral if it is less than 30% of the average salary for the job. And we have many cases lately of such immoral low payments. Some industries now have a minimum wage, most have not.

The lowest average income have hairstylists in Germany, they just get 15,787 € per year on the average, 1315 € per month - before taxes and social insurance. The average rent here for a flat is 256.40 €

 

[SiberianTiger]

The average rent here for a flat is 256.40 €

What is the rough avg price per square meter when buying the flat into private property, please?

 

[Urwumpe]

What is the rough avg price per square meter when buying the flat into private property, please?

Between 12,187 Euro/m² in Sylt and 1700 Euro/m² away from prestigious places.

 

[jedidia]

I know people that work for 150 euros a month, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, no vacation...

I don't even know if there is something like a lowest salary and a maximum working time in the bosanian law, but if they do, neither employers nor courts care about them.

 

[Jarvitä]

I don't even know if there is something like a lowest salary and a maximum working time in the bosanian law, but if they do, neither employers nor courts care about them.

If there is, either the minimal sum is ridiculously low, or everyone is ignoring it.

 

[eveningsky339]

They just have to improve working conditions.

Well, most of the world works in deplorable conditions, practicing subsistence agriculture (growing just enough food to feed your family). And oftentimes they don't grow enough. But AFAIK the suicide rate among subsistence farmers is zero. Even though they work their tails off every day and can't afford to buy anything, they are providing for a family instead of putting things together on an assembly line. I think they have a major psychological advantage over most of us in the Western world.

 

[Jarvitä]

Well, most of the world works in deplorable conditions, practicing subsistence agriculture (growing just enough food to feed your family). And oftentimes they don't grow enough. But AFAIK the suicide rate among subsistence farmers is zero. Even though they work their tails off every day and can't afford to buy anything, they are providing for a family instead of putting things together on an assembly line. I think they have a major psychological advantage over most of us in the Western world.

And unless you're proposing that everyone revert to subsistence farming, the most obvious way I see to overcome that psychological advantage is to improve working conditions.

 

[Urwumpe]

And unless you're proposing that everyone revert to subsistence farming, the most obvious way I see to overcome that psychological advantage is to improve working conditions.

Yes, but for that you will very likely have to make the work more similar to farming... for example not have people do the same task over and over again, like you have in such "microchip sweat shops". The work of Farmers is very diverse and you can't actually choose what task to do, the weather dictates it.

 

[AirSimming]

Well, most of the world works in deplorable conditions, practicing subsistence agriculture (growing just enough food to feed your family). And oftentimes they don't grow enough. But AFAIK the suicide rate among subsistence farmers is zero. Even though they work their tails off every day and can't afford to buy anything, they are providing for a family instead of putting things together on an assembly line. I think they have a major psychological advantage over most of us in the Western world.

/signed

That's why I think our capitalist system is failing, at least partly if not on the whole slowly and silently. As a pampered western citizen you don't realize it if you won't, but it's happening.

A friend of my parents emigrated from Germany to Scotland some 20 years ago. He has a small house there, no neighbours but a few animals and he takes care of oneself (he gets electricity from a generator that is driven by a small stream near the house). You can not imagine how balanced he appears (he visits Germany every few years). He doesn't talk too much, and whenever he realizes somebody is talking nonsense, he just laughs at that person but has its own silent thoughts on it. I like that mentality. Why bother with somebody?

Even I like the idea of leaving the civilization. I don't see a lot of benefits living in a town, and to me money and a big job is not the basis of my life. I already live apart in the countryside, but that's not enough. I think I will move a little further away sometime in future (and I already don't have a TV and not even a cell phone and I don't miss anything). City life would make me really sick and I can absolutely understand whenever people emigrate these days. The suicide rate in some regions and certain jobs does not surprise me at all these days...

 

[ar81]

If I am correct, Foxconn is Taiwanese not chinese.
Could it be issues between people from China and Taiwan?

 

[RisingFury]

If there is, either the minimal sum is ridiculously low, or everyone is ignoring it.

I hear ya!

Lots of Bosnians in Slovenia and I hear about employers exploiting them all the time...