If Palin was a man...

You won't get a debt for the rest of your life if your wife gives birth to a kid, like in US. You won't be charged for every napkin or bed a doctor uses.

No, instead you charge all people, all the same. With the runaway debts of Costa Rica meaning already, that all people there have a debt for life. Somebody always has to pay the bill. :cheers:

We have people that can be easily bribed. But also since we do not have deer hunting, we hunt corrupted people.:P

Yeah, and let me guess: You always have reports of successful hunted corruption. ;)
 
Yeah, and let me guess: You always have reports of successful hunted corruption. ;)
La Nacion (www.nacion.com) and Teletica (www.teletica.com) are the places where all reports end up in the headlines.:cheers:
Geez I love hunting!! :P

And if you love "bashing Costa Rica", you forgot to mention those lazy congressmen from Asamblea Legislativa that have taken about 8 years to barely pass CAFTA. Many of them are lazy b*st*rds who do not even attend schedules and they are as effective as a turtle for Formula 1 racing. They are given subsidized fuel tickets and if they deliver results or not, no one fires them. Those are good examples of the leeches we have inside political parties. So no wonder why government is so incompetent as you mention.

If I said something similar about US it would be called bashing.
However this is the normal tone we have even in the news to criticize our own system.
This freedom is what we call in popular words "derecho al berreo".

Venezuelans also have this kind of "bashing" about their own system. If you watch Globovision news you will see.
Hugo Chavez talks about feeding Latin America with Venezuelan harvested food in a speech and then news talk about imported food from Colombia.
So this "bashing US" is just a point of view that shows less freedom of speech in US society.
 
That imported food from Columbia is less than what it costs in Venezuela. BTW so does gas too, so while Chavez sits there mocking the US he's still using western gas. Well his people are using western bought gas. What a gas a$$. Get it? Ha!
 
So basically, we need to bash our own countries from time to time.
It goes for Costa Rica, Venezuela, USA or any other country in the world.

Else, politicians may forgot that their duty is guarantee citizen welfare, and not towards government or companies, or to play online strategy games with real countries.
 
If you live inside a republic, the main duty of your government should be actually: Stay out of your life as good as possible. Some government duties are inevitable, but that does not mean, that you should be forced to deal with them too often.

Citizen welfare is nice, but pursuit of happiness is more important for your citizens. And happiness requires freedom as well as security.
 
If you live inside a republic, the main duty of your government should be actually: Stay out of your life as good as possible. Some government duties are inevitable, but that does not mean, that you should be forced to deal with them too often.

Citizen welfare is nice, but pursuit of happiness is more important for your citizens. And happiness requires freedom as well as security.

This is scary, Urwumpe, lately you kind of sound like me!
 
So this "bashing US" is just a point of view that shows less freedom of speech in US society.

We have a bunch of people, here in the USA, too, who assert that their "freedom of speech is being violated," by the fact that other persons express opinions that are critical of, or disagree with, theirs. But more often, we tend to regard only violent force - particularly, by the government - to prevent or punish speech, as constituting an actual constraint upon the freedom of speech.

That one person may describe another person's expressed ideas, as being "bashing US," does nothing to produce "less freedom of speech" (unless, I suppose, the description spills blood); the person whose ideas are being so criticized, retains his freedom to continue to express them, or not.
 
This is scary, Urwumpe, lately you kind of sound like me!

The other day, Urwumpe jokingly suggested that my computer had been hijacked by someone else when I lost control of my temper. During the exchange you comment on here, I thought the same thing might have happened to him :lol:

It just goes to show you that there IS some overlap in our values, and we can be pushed into that region when confronted by an unreasonable position expressed from the extreme of our "own" side.
 
If you live inside a republic, the main duty of your government should be actually: Stay out of your life as good as possible. Some government duties are inevitable, but that does not mean, that you should be forced to deal with them too often.

Citizen welfare is nice, but pursuit of happiness is more important for your citizens. And happiness requires freedom as well as security.

Precisely that aspect is what makes socialist republicans to have the same credibility of Hugo Chavez.

This massive socialist bailout is a great example of intervention, just like leaving interest rates artificially low, or leaving dollar artificially high before yuan. Government is inteferring there massively that it recalls flashbacks of nationalization and currency exchange control done by Hugo Chavez.

In several forums I find that Americans do not enjoy many civil liberties, and freedom of speech that questions what need to be improved is being censored with hostile labels aimed at social rejection. So instead of having government enforced repression, they have socially enforced repression as a political religion is created, just like in Venezuela.

This religion is contradictory by itself. In one side republicans talk about no intervention and in the other side they did the most spectacular intervention of all times. It is just as contradictory as "bolivarian socialism" since Simon Bolivar was a rich guy, inspired by the ideas of Rousseau who had liberal ideas, and Marx was a teen when Bolivar died.

So bolivarian socialism deserves the same respect of republican government intervention.

And the human rights problem remains an issue, because a prison with no due process becomes a prison for political prisoners, just like the political prisoners that Argentine military junta had when they invaded Falklands.

So if USA has such spectacular interventions, why should one complain about government participation in a small economy like the one in my country? What credibility or moral authority do they have to impose us such disfunctional model that did not work in Argentina? Argentine president complained about it in UN.

That one person may describe another person's expressed ideas, as being "bashing US," does nothing to produce "less freedom of speech" (unless, I suppose, the description spills blood); the person whose ideas are being so criticized, retains his freedom to continue to express them, or not.

Yes it does. You express opinions and then you are labeled with a hostile word, with social rejection or a ban (under the argument of "bashing US"). So the basic message for the individual is "shut up, if you disagree you are our enemy". Banning critical opinions is exactly what Americans criticized when talking about Cuban regime.

Criticism is the only way to collect points of view to improve things. Even US media work like public relations department of US government. You see CNN en español being sponsored by Armor International (is that free press?), you see The Economist suggesting the idea that US does things and world pays off, and you see US media trying to cause financial panic around the world. You do not see them showing how half of Afghanistan is lost and how the expensive so called "war on terror" failed. If that's sucess or victory, I am Elvis.

I have talked to americans who prefer to remain silent when it is about politics, so I get a picture of repression. In US repression is achieved with social rejection (damaged reputation).

So I think there is a semantic difference, for what is culturally "bashing US" is what I would call "helping US to improve its system". An enemy enjoys your mistakes in silence. If I was an enemy who wanted to bash US, I would try to encourage increased military expenditure and longer presence in middle east, for I know that it would ultimately dry US economy and that would put down US as world power.

US has no credibility anymore. I used to believe in US as "police of the world" but now it is misbehaving. It is a role model similar to Venezuelan regime.
 
US has no credibility anymore. I used to believe in US as "police of the world" but now it is misbehaving. It is a role model similar to Venezuelan regime.

The truth is probably that the US was never as good as you once thought it was, but that it's not nearly as bad as you now think it is.

One of the peculiarities of the US is that it has always tended to be and continues to tend to be a giant screen upon which people project their greatest hopes and fears. Part of this has to do with the the sheer size of the US, part to do with the fact that the US is the quintessentially "modern" nation, having been founded as an intentional act by one of the first generations of people who had internalized the values and ideas of the Enlightenment, and that it was blessed with an endowment of such physical richness in so many ways. All these factors go together to create a wonderland of the imagination. The product of generations of imaginings projected on that giant screen is now quite complex, and often stands in the way of realistic perception.
 
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Hmmm. I supect that you are attempting to violate Urwumpe's freedom of speech, by using "social rejection" against his expressed opinion that your comments were "bashing US."

US media work like public relations department of US government. You see CNN en español being sponsored by Armor International (is that free press?)

As far as I know, it is, indeed, free press (I'm not really familiar with CNN en español; I'm assuming that it is basically a section of CNN, generally). CNN can broadcast whatever it wants (with a few restrictions, such as the use of "obscene" words or images), and Armor International (whatever that is), can freely decide to buy advertising time from CNN, or not, while CNN can freely decide to sell advertising time to Armor International, or not. And people in general, are free to decide whether they are getting useful information from CNN, or not, and they are free to watch CNN, or not. And CNN is free to behave accordingly.

I have talked to americans who prefer to remain silent when it is about politics, so I get a picture of repression. In US repression is achieved with social rejection (damaged reputation).

Well, there sure are a lot of Americans expressing all kinds of political opinions, so it sure doesn't seem "repressed," to me. WRT "damaged reputation," I'm not sure precisely what you mean, but there are slander and libel laws that can be applied to persons who damage the reputations of others, by telling lies.

So I think there is a semantic difference, for what is culturally "bashing US" is what I would call "helping US to improve its system".

And perhaps others will wish to help you to improve your system of making such helpful suggestions. Different persons have different opinions, and when you express yours, you assume the risk of their being criticized. That's freedom for everybody.

US has no credibility anymore. I used to believe in US as "police of the world" but now it is misbehaving. It is a role model similar to Venezuelan regime.

Hey, thanks for the "help." It has no credibility.
 
I could be mistaken of course, so see this as an exposure of ideas that could be perfected.
I was told that Americans were very straightforward.
They are too straight forward in some aspects in ways that some Costa Ricans feel offended. I have seen cases. It seems a communication problem, not real intent to offend.

But it seems that when things start to involve nationailty in any form (economy, politics, military, etc) such straightforward communication becomes offensive. I am trying to:
1.Test ideas to have them refuted.
2.Find a good way of communication, where ideas are refuted without making anyone feel offended.

So if I offended anyone I am sorry. I am open to ways to achieve those 2 objectives.

As for credibility, US has low credibility. It lost credibility when the reason to step on UN (that was respected by other countries) and enter Iraq became just not true. It is not something I like, but something I see.

More things that affect credibility...

IMF: World economy to slow sharply, led by US
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_bi_ge/world_economic_outlook
Leadership?

In bleak forecast, IMF sees major downturn
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081008/bs_nm/us_imf;_ylt=Atfsz8CPfeDLzSnXJCZfE5R34T0D

Don't expect too much from Fed: Plosser
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081008/ts_nm/us_usa_fed_plosser;_ylt=AvxAGN1tii7L2rYJx9pFRl934T0D
It looks like intervention is the path of US

Inquiry shows U.S. Afghan raid killed 30 people: report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081008...ians_report;_ylt=AvafRaVQ3kYQVunN.JEIP9x34T0D
Gaining people's support?

My comments on US are very soft, compared to what people around are saying here.
There was a time when US was a role model, now it is a source of world crisis.:sorry:
 
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You can see a true leader, when he wants to lead you on the way down. ;)

PS: Killing 30 people in Afghanistan IS gaining peoples support. In the past, they had to be happy if it had been only 300 on such an occasion, when the Taliban had been still there ;)
 
I could be mistaken of course, so see this as an exposure of ideas that could be perfected.
I was told that Americans were very straightforward.
They are too straight forward in some aspects in ways that some Costa Ricans feel offended. I have seen cases. It seems a communication problem, not real intent to offend.

But it seems that when things start to involve nationailty in any form (economy, politics, military, etc) such straightforward communication becomes offensive. I am trying to:
1.Test ideas to have them refuted.
2.Find a good way of communication, where ideas are refuted without making anyone feel offended.

So if I offended anyone I am sorry. I am open to ways to achieve those 2 objectives.

Well, I don't suppose that there is really a magic formula for expressing one's opinions without any possibility of displeasing anyone (especially when one's opinions represent assertions that someone else is behaving wrongfully, which assertions necessarily acknowledge a difference of opinion). The simple fact is that, when you express your ideas, there exists a risk that someone may not like them, and you can choose either to express an opinion and deal with the consequences of your having done so, or you can choose not to express an opinion, and deal with the consequences of that. As long as the consequences are not violent, one can generally survive such encounters without suffering serious damage. And increasing experience provides increasing skills.

As for credibility, US has low credibility. It lost credibility when the reason to step on UN (that was respected by other countries) and enter Iraq became just not true. It is not something I like, but something I see.

Well, for some perspective, I'll state that, for many persons in the USA, the UN has low credibility. Particularly, it issued warning after warning (after warning...), to Saddam Hussein, about his noncompliance with the Gulf War ceasefire conditions, to which he had agreed, and yet it showed a perpetual unwillingness actually to follow up wrt such warnings, by pursuing the implicit consequences of his noncompliance, which consequences were a cancellation of the ceasefire, the resumption of warfare and his removal from being ruler of Iraq. Furthermore, when the USA did perform the implicit follow-up to the UN's warnings, the USA was condemned for that. So, who has "credibility"?

I would add, wrt various countries' "respect" for the UN, it seems to me that the UN has become, among other things, increasingly arrogant, thinking itself to be a sort of World Government, which it was never designed to be, and which it has no legitimacy to be. Add to that, stuff like its Iraq "Oil-for-Food Program" management corruption, and its "conferences on racism" that are Hate-Israel Fests, and I daresay that "respect" for the UN is increasingly difficult to justify.

My comments on US are very soft, compared to what people around are saying here.

Your comments on the USA are very soft, compared to what some people in the USA are saying, too. Lots of people have lots of opinions. And there is some disagreement, about various opinions.
 
Raising oil prices helped Venezuela to have higher revenue, but it caused a high inflation. Now US crisis is helping Chavez to control inflation.

I wonder if republicans are interested in helping Chavez, for they have been doing that all this time. Republican administration led to this crisis, where countries that have nationalized assets and institutions have a competitive advantage.

Nationalized companies offer less risk to investors and they can obtain liquidity from government, easier than in USA. So Venezuela is now more competitive thanks to republicans.

I do not understand this kind of republican economic policy... why are they doing this?
It does not help american citizens.
 
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Then change the world and make it better. Otherwise this is just fruitless talk.

Don't worry, I am trying to make it better.
Right now, in fact, I'm sitting in the Israeli embassy in Nairobi trying to act as an impartial advisor (one thing Sweden is good at) on a number of problems they're having here.
If you don't believe me ask the mods, they can see my i.p address.

And I'm not saying I'll do much good while I'm here, but at least I'm trying. The last thing I want is to appear hypocritical: Never say anything you're not prepared to uphold, it'll bite you in the ass.

Now, back to the US. I think the US can, and on occasions has, been a great force for good in the world. I also think that on other occasions the US govt has rushed in to situations they don't fully understand and made the local problems ten times worse.
That's where the main problem arises, I sometimes think America is too willing to try to assist in other country's problems, sometimes it needs to take a step back and slow down a notch or two.


Greg, I hoped by now you'd have been able to tell I don't jump onto whatever bandwagon is fashionable. I don't bash the US because it's the latest political fad. I don't bash muslims for all being terrorist bin-laden alikes. If I have a negative opinion on something it's because that's what I really think, not because that's what my friends are thinking.
Same as you, I admire you for voicing your opinions no matter if many of those on here (and in the real world) disagree with them.

Anyway, I realise I'm rambling a bit here. In short: USA is a great place, but I think it sometimes doesn't consider the full extent of the actions it takes.
 
I'm sorry : the subject is not new and it is very bad humour, I know ...but...

 
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