News Mars One - settlement funded via reality TV in 2023

[Screamer7]

Let's pretend they reached Mars alive.
How do they gonna land on Mars?
That will need some serious stuff.

 

[Codz]

78,000 people payed for something what leads to nothing :facepalm:

Far more buy lottery tickets...

 

[SpaceEagle]

It would be ok if Justin Bieber would be Emigrated to Mars.

 

[Unstung]

Let's pretend they reached Mars alive.
How do they gonna land on Mars?
That will need some serious stuff.

Considering it's a one way trip, the landing would be similar to Musk's vision for a propulsive landing.

 

[Alfastar]

Well, what most just forget is that there don't use only a Dragon, but also something called the Mars Transit Vehicle, and two propellant stages. And there are a lot less clear about it. It don't says something like mass, Delta-V, engines what it use ect. It must not be a lightweight, because the MTV (Mars Transit Vehicle) needs to support the crew months. And about the two propellant stages, there got totally no information about it.

 

[Screamer7]

Well, what most just forget is that there don't use only a Dragon, but also something called the Mars Transit Vehicle, and two propellant stages. And there are a lot less clear about it. It don't says something like mass, Delta-V, engines what it use ect. It must not be a lightweight, because the MTV (Mars Transit Vehicle) needs to support the crew months. And about the two propellant stages, there got totally no information about it.

Such a mission would require not only food, water and oxygen for the astronauts, but a vehicle powerful enough to get them back to their spaceship, which would likely remain in orbit.
That is if it is not a one "suicide" way trip.

The first six robots Nasa sent to Mars starting in 1974 were light enough that their descent was slowed by parachutes.
The last 3 was aided with airbags.

Curiosity was heavier, so it required a complex landing apparatus that included a supersonic parachute and a rocket-powered crane.

But neither method is likely to work, without significant adjustments, for the much larger vehicles required for a manned landing, nor would the technology used to land a spacecraft on Earth work on Mars.

Atmospheric pressure at 40km altitude on Earth is equivalent to just 10 000m on Mars – which leaves little time to slow the faster-than-sound speed of a Mars lander.

 

[MikeB]

I'm willing to risk it . . .

. . . the charge of necro-posting, that is.

Here's an interesting blog by one of the 1,058 applicants who've made it past the first round of selections: http://lifeonmars.me

I also found this page on the Mars One site interesting, where they give their vision of the characteristics of an astronaut: http://www.mars-one.com/faq/selection-and-preparation-of-the-astronauts/what-are-the-qualifications-to-apply

Of course, this doesn't shed light on the engineering challenges. It's still interesting for understanding the mental makeup of one applicant.

 

[sorindafabico]

These people (volunteers themselves) know that, at best, they will never breathe fresh air again?

 

[Urwumpe]

A study by the MIT claims that Mars One is technically infeasible.

http://web.mit.edu/sydneydo/Public/Mars One Feasibility Analysis IAC14.pdf

I must say, I rather doubt that they had been able to program a proper simulation model of photosynthesis.

Also, I consider their claim that it is impossible to selectively vent a gas a bit outdated... the ISS does that all the time with CO2.

 

[RonDVouz]

People should have seen this for the scam that it is. The applicants paid for consideration, they burned through that money then had to pander for donations offering a ride on the Virgin Galactic fraud. A couple years ago they said they were gearing up to send robotic set up missions in 2016, now they're stating it'll be 2018.

They don't have a launch vehicle, they don't have a transfer vehicle, they don't have a lander or any means to actually survive on the surface.

I feel bad for the people who paid to do this with the promise of going to Mars but I'm also grateful that none of them will go there to simply die. I feel that if this did see its way to getting people there and they perish immediately it would forever tarnish the idea of exploring Mars.

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How do they choose the astronauts I wonder...

Highest bidder. :|

 

[Pipcard]

Wait, Virgin Galactic's a "fraud" now?

 

[Scruce]

Wait, Virgin Galactic's a "fraud" now?

I think he was referring to the Mars One project instead of Virgin Galactic.

Edit: The post below proves this statement wrong.

 

[RonDVouz]

Wait, Virgin Galactic's a "fraud" now?

I consider it one. Look at all the false advertising in the name alone? Galactic? The damned thing barely gets over the Karmann line.

And now its going though a redesign phase, not a single passenger has flown it OR been reimbursed for any money paid to be on the first flight.

In other words its indefinitely grounded.

 

[fsci123]

I consider it one. Look at all the false advertising in the name alone? Galactic? The damned thing barely gets over the Karmann line.

And now its going though a redesign phase, not a single passenger has flown it OR been reimbursed for any money paid to be on the first flight.

In other words its indefinitely grounded.

At least they have a somewhat working vessel. These people(mars one) just have some legal papers and some nicely drawn images.

 

[RonDVouz]

They have a vessel, whether or not it's working is debatable. The Mars One organizers were raffling off a ride on this questionable vehicle in order to raise more funds. Their grand prize might not turn out to be so grand.

And like I said earlier, I really do feel bad for these candidates who paid for their spot and who are going through all the motions as though they were destined to colonize Mars. It's unfortunate that none of them can see the money problems this organization is having. If I were involved with this, trained for a solid year or two and then started hearing that the program was stalling, that there wouldn't even be a set up mission launched in a reasonable time frame to get to Mars before I was too old to do it, I'd start questioning what I was doing and the people I was doing it for.

 

[fsci123]

I tried to go on their website and find some data on how many dollars they've earned so far... And instead I got a page about how much money the Olympics has generated over the last 20 years.

Hmmm...

If this wasn't about mars I would probably say their vagueness and failure to live up to promises is indication of some sort of heavy duty scam.

 

[boogabooga]

A study by the MIT claims that Mars One is technically infeasible.

http://web.mit.edu/sydneydo/Public/Mars One Feasibility Analysis IAC14.pdf

I must say, I rather doubt that they had been able to program a proper simulation model of photosynthesis.

Also, I consider their claim that it is impossible to selectively vent a gas a bit outdated... the ISS does that all the time with CO2.

Notice that Mars One did not solicit research and use the information to design the best possible mission, rather they have some mission and now researchers will show it to be unfeasible. What else hasn't Mars One thought of that would get everyone killed? Not that it matters, because this will never get to the point of launching people. But it does show just how naive this Mars One thing is.

 

[fsci123]

Maybe the point of mars one is to get everyone killed... Isn't people getting killed the reason why people tune into the walking dead every week?

 

[Aeadar]

I consider it one. Look at all the false advertising in the name alone? Galactic? The damned thing barely gets over the Karmann line.

And now its going though a redesign phase, not a single passenger has flown it OR been reimbursed for any money paid to be on the first flight.

In other words its indefinitely grounded.

"Virgin Galactic". Tis but a name, not a promise, not an advertizement.

Nobody expects, as they remove the wrapper from their Mars bar, that they will be eating something from another planet.

Nobody expects to be released from the bonds of gravity by chewing a piece of Orbit gum.

And nobody believes that trips across the galaxy are being advertized merely because Richard Branson used the word 'Galactic'.

 

[jangofett287]

I always had a niggling doubt with the Mars One project. It took me ages to put my finger on it, but it boils down to "If its that simple, why hasn't someone else done it?". Just looking over their website seemed to say to me "We've thought though some of this, but not all of it.". Also the funding model is crap. If the TV deals fall though, or aren't as large as they think they're going to be, the entire program is a bust.