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[Hielor]

An old tube TV maybe but nothing compared to an HD image.

Right, because flight simulators totally don't run in HD resolutions.

Oh, wait.

 

[Linguofreak]

An old tube TV maybe but nothing compared to an HD image.

I've never gotten the hype over HD. As long as the signal is clear, the only difference I see between normal TV and reality in the first place is the lack of 3D. Static, of course, can diminish this somewhat, but generally I don't find it to be enough of a problem to make a TV image distinguishable from reality.

 

[dbeachy1]

Then you haven't seen HD on a decent TV yet, because the visual difference between 1080p (1080 lines) and standard TV (320 lines) is night-and-day. The larger the screen, the more dramatic the difference.

 

[simonpro]

HD TV is okay for some things, particularly sports. I've never really seen the point in HD X-Factor or HD Come Dancing or whatever.

 

[Notebook]

In HD Come Dancing, the sequince dresses are much more sparkly.

N.

 

[Moonwalker]

Yes it looks good now. However it will not look good in 2015. Period! They said the same thing when FS98 was getting kicked in the teeth compared to FS2000 and FS2002.

That's what I mean when I say that things have changed. The leap from FS98 to 2002 was a gigant one within only 4 years and 3 versions of MSFS. But the leap from FS9 to FSX is very minor. FSX will be used for many years and addon developers will continue to develop addons for it, beside FS9 too (just a few weeks ago, PMDG published its new MD11 also for FS9). Both sims don't look much different now and there is no reason why they should look much different in 4 to 5 years, unless we get any replacement of FSX. That's why people continue to use FS9 and why some even wellcome the latest decisions happening at Microsoft. Because people don't have to convert from one sim to another within just a few years and buy everything once again, while the latest version doesn't look much different.

Not to mention Open Falcon in this context, the enhancement for Falcon 4.0 (1998)

 

[Erupter]

Commercial addon developers offer the most realistic and complex aircraft addons for MSFS (you sadly won't find such complex aircraft addons for a different simulator). The only hope I have is that top commercial addon developers, especially such like Flight1 and Dreamfleet, change over to X-Plane, which is the most realistic desktop flight simulation software.

You forget PMDG which is, in my opinion, simply the most complete.
But i doubt they are gonna jump both feet on the XPlane bandwagon...
Too much re-engineering... all top-notch the developers have put a tremendous amount of energy in unfolding every possibile FSX little detail.
Now switching to an alltogether different platform would be impossible.
Unless they had a very long eye back in the days... which i sincerely doubt.
Anyway since FSX a lot of people continued to fly with FS2004, so i think the market, and the people already hooked up, are gonna stay.
Just no new products.
And seeing FSX i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing eighter

 

[Moonwalker]

You forget PMDG which is, in my opinion, simply the most complete.

Yes, beside Flight1 & Dreamfleet too. Just look at the Flight1 ATR 72 and its more than 400 pages of the manual

PMDG has learned a lot. I didn't like their 737 NG graphically. But the 747 and MD11 are first class products. And they continue to do stuff. Can't wait to see their new 787 NG in future...

 

[Zachstar]

Note: Showing a hacked game is not exactly evidence of a game living on.

The hacking is unlawful both for it and Freefalcon. They may be great games but to use hacks as an example is meaningless.

If you honestly believe that FSX (Or your FS9 for whatever reason you think it is superior ((It isn't when you invest in the FSX pro version)) Then have fun but please don't expect things to be sky high from here till 2020.

Mark my words tho. FSX will be as boring as FS98 is today BEFORE 2015.

Unless you hack it.. Which is unlawful and thus out of the question.

 

[Hielor]

Note: Showing a hacked game is not exactly evidence of a game living on.

The hacking is unlawful both for it and Freefalcon. They may be great games but to use hacks as an example is meaningless.

If you honestly believe that FSX (Or your FS9 for whatever reason you think it is superior ((It isn't when you invest in the FSX pro version)) Then have fun but please don't expect things to be sky high from here till 2020.

Mark my words tho. FSX will be as boring as FS98 is today BEFORE 2015.

Unless you hack it.. Which is unlawful and thus out of the question.

You don't need to hack FSX to keep adding improvements to it.

Plus, FSX will be just as fun in 2015 as it is now if there hasn't been a replacement for it, which seems doubtful unless X-Plane really steps up to the plate to fill that gap.

If you have no other options in the genre, then the last one of the genre will remain on top.

 

[simonpro]

Why does a game stop being fun just because it looks a bit old fashioned?
Orbiter looks kinda bad, but you still play it.

 

[Zachstar]

Why does a game stop being fun just because it looks a bit old fashioned?
Orbiter looks kinda bad, but you still play it.

Do you play FS98 Simon?

 

[simonpro]

It's Simonpro, not Simon. There's a difference.

And no, I don't. The only computer game I play is PES 09. Flight sim has always bored the crap out of me, it seems depressingly pointless.

 

[Zachstar]

If you did I highly doubt you would like it for very long.

FS98 was GREAT for it's time. But soon after the turn of the century video cards starting getting faster in a much faster pace than before.

So before you knew it FS98 looked and played poorly in comparison to modern games.

And video card power growth is speeding up not slowing down!

 

[Urwumpe]

Zachstar: So you are talking about crappy games, which only look good, but don't play good?

What about Populous II? Or History Line. No open source remake of any of them yet.

 

[Moonwalker]

Mark my words tho. FSX will be as boring as FS98 is today BEFORE 2015.

I remember your words: "Whatever happens there will not be another MSFS for half a decade."

In 2012, FSX will be on the market for as long as FS9 is on the market today. This is already 6 years, and FS9 did not start to look anything like FS98 or boring at all, although video card power increases constantly! Again: a significant amount of MSFS fans even still prefer FS9 over FSX (also even over the pro version by the way, like I do too, because it's basically nothing than just a difference in price). Since it is unlikely that FSX gets replaced until 2012 (which a lot of MSFS fans even welcome), it will still look like it looks today. The same for FS9, which won't look much different from FSX, because it simply does not do so today. But amazingly, FS9 will be almost 9 years old in 2012

The only real competition of MSFS was/is X-Plane. Unless it does not get comparable addons and enhancements like MSFS, FSX and FS9 still will be on the top within the flight sim community even in 2015, unless we see an up-to-date replacement simulation.

Things have changed. And that is a step from a few pixels to real looking graphics. From the early 1990's until 2000, MSFS did change amazingly. But within the last ~8 years, since FS2002, it did not really change amazingly anymore comparable to the change within the 1990's.

[ame="http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mWp-0Iv3OyU"]YouTube - Flight Simulator History[/ame]

 

[T.Neo]

But amazingly, FS9 will be almost 9 years old in 2012

Does it matter? The world ends in 2012.

That progession video is amazing.

 

[Moonwalker]

Does it matter? The world ends in 2012.

Didn't the world end already in 2000, right after the global computer crash? :lol:


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Why does a game stop being fun just because it looks a bit old fashioned?

I don't think they stop being fun.

That's what I still love to play occasionally:

19 years old:

13 years old:

10 years old:

[ame="http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=n-B9SX82EMs"]YouTube - Tomb raider 4 Trailer[/ame]

 

[Cairan]

Just to add water to the mill, here's a quick list of games I still play once in a while...

Wing Commander Privateer (1993)
Transport Tycoon Deluxe (1995)
Master of Orion II (1996)
Space Quest, the whole serie...
Starcraft (1998)
MS Flight Simulator 2002
Battlefield 2 (2005)
X-Plane 9 (2008)
Spore (2008)

So you see, if a game has great gameplay in it, you can still come back to it later and enjoy. At least that's the way I see it... And believe me, to get through the hassles of running pre-Win32 stuff on Linux or WinXP, the game really has to be good in my mind!

 

[Andy44]

There are a lot of games I would play once in a while, including Falcon 3.0, which was, in terms of gameplay, the most fun combat flight sim ever, despite it's early 90s graphics. Only reason I don't play those old games is because they run on DOS and are stored on 3.5 diskettes, neither of which my laptop has. I'd have to break my old 386/40 AMD out of storage.

Fancy graphics is just eye candy after a point. Adequate graphics and great play action and immersion is more important. I would much rather fly my old Flight Assignment: ATP than fly something with lousy physics and pretty graphics. Falcon 3.0, along with 3rd-party addon StratFalc, was an end-to-end air force wargame, in which you controlled an F-16 squadron in a war campaign, and could even control the ground forces. You could plan missions involving other aircraft, such as a B-52 strike, in detail, fly it and mix it up with MiGs, and the results would have impact on the overall campaign. Hours and hours of fun, and total immersion.

Modern games have lost something. Just as modern movies sacrifice quality film-making for silly CGI effects, gaming suffer as eye candy becomes more important than simulation and immersion.