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[Bloodworth]

No, we wouldnt have to drag it along at all. The idea is to already have models of certain old landers already in place on mars before the mission begins. Most, if not all of these models are already available in OH. They do not need to be flown or carried at all, we simply write them into place at the start of the mission. The idea was to give us something to look for beyond minerals and scientific data.

 

[Bj]

I'm wondering if some old models like Viking, seeing as they already exist could be recycled for our use? It could save some time.

Do you think Viking would be a good Mars exploring vessel? Instead of jumping from LMO to surface for one time use, it could jump a few KM at a time and come back for refuel when needed. The alternative is to use MER... or an altered version of our soon to be developed reusable surface to LMO vessel.

Anyway if we do use his model, we would need his permission. First though figure if we use this vessel or not.

Also before we start creating textures for those cargos, everyone is good with the concept of mining these resources right? (The included resources are so vast so it gives a little bit of a 'randomness' between collection, though I mightof only used only a few of these resources per planet...

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Alright, I see your list now. Thanks, Bj. I'll get right on it. (Although, you may as well have just sent me a periodic table :lol

I assume that, since it says 'static,' the cargo won't have to do anything (IE we're not keeping track of the quantity, only the mass of the cargoes)?

:rofl:

Right well anyway, I mean that the cargo will not do anything, like be deploy able by UMMU, it just sits there taking mass... makes it much easier since it will still use the 'standard' UCGO cargo mesh, all we need really is textures and configs.

No, we wouldnt have to drag it along at all. The idea is to already have models of certain old landers already in place on mars before the mission begins. Most, if not all of these models are already available in OH. They do not need to be flown or carried at all, we simply write them into place at the start of the mission. The idea was to give us something to look for beyond minerals and scientific data.

But look at Viking 2 shutoff 1980... It would mean we would need a UMMU to service the lander before use...

 

[Pablo49]

..was being sarcastic about the helicopter. Helicopters need air to lift and there is little air at LMO... but I guess it didn't convey well enough :thumbup:

I shouldn't post when sleepy. :lol:

I'll start work on modeling the greenhouses. Not the best at texturing, so I may leave that up for someone else. I'm going to make the doors on the greenhouse the standard UCGO door, so it's compatible with any modules we may ever link them to.

 

[Urwumpe]

All fine for me. I can maybe produce some more plans about the hab module this evening.

Also, I recommend having a look here, about how project management in spaceflight should be done:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf7-1.php

It is not like we need the whole mess of it, since we don't build real hardware that has to work, but it gives still a good best practice on how to manage projects.

 

[Bj]

All fine for me. I can maybe produce some more plans about the hab module this evening.

Also, I recommend having a look here, about how project management in spaceflight should be done:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf7-1.php

Nice

oh and your good with using Viking?
You know I never took a project management course before. That comes in college a little later

Using their phase guideline:

• Pre-Phase A, Conceptual Study
• Phase A, Preliminary Analysis
• Phase B, Definition
• Phase C/D, Design and Development
• Phase E, Operations Phase

I'am thinking your saying we are jumping a few steps. Actually reading their definitions, we should be at A, not C/D(modeling/texturing)

It is not like we need the whole mess of it, since we don't build real hardware that has to work, but it gives still a good best practice on how to manage projects.

Actually it looks like a perfect guideline, thanks for that too btw. :tiphat:

Looks like the only one really not needed (or actually already completed) is Pre-Phase A

A person or group petitions NASA with an idea or plan. The proposal is studied and evaluated for merit, and, if accepted, the task of screening feasibility is delegated to a NASA Center.

Plan: Go to Mars and setup long term duration stays for Humans for experiments & research.

We know we passed because we are on Phase A.

I'll get a mission plan going on in a little bit

 

[Urwumpe]

We should be currently somewhere between "Pre-Phase A" and "Phase A", since we are still brainstorming a lot and have not all requirements for a normal Phase A fulfilled. Also we don't really need a full Phase B, since we can tolerate easier to restructure parts of the project before we start flying. Once the basic architecture and requirements are done, we can enter Phase C (united), which would be the actual development for us. Phase D would be pretty useless for us, we would go directly to fly the blueprints.

And yes, the old Mars probes sound good for me. Maybe we can find Beagle 2...or its crater.

 

[Bloodworth]

But look at Viking 2 shutoff 1980... It would mean we would need a UMMU to service the lander before use...

You miss the point. The idea was never to make use of the viking landers. The idea was to locate the viking landers (or other mars landers) as part of a series of ground expeditions. Locate the lander, assess the condition, place a memorial plaque, and possible take preservative measures (possible ucgo glass dome).

 

[Columbia42]

If we are going to land in the vicinity of a Mars lander than I think it should be Viking (seeing how it was, I think, the first man made object to land on Mars). To this end I will create a preliminary surface base near the Viking landing site.

 

[Urwumpe]

Would be pretty hard to build a good base where the probes are...boring places.

http://www.google.com/mars/#lat=-19.145168&lon=-110.742187&q=spacecraft

 

[Izack]

Maybe we can find Beagle 2...or its crater.

Ugh...don't remind me.

As it is, I think I'm safe making some of the more obvious textures now while I have the free time, since I'm pretty sure no one can scrub the need for supplies on this mission.
It looks like most of them will be the same, but with replacing the names of the element. I've smacked together a basic design, and I'll work on weathering it a little tonight (maybe :shifty, so that when the time comes to finalise everything I'll have less work to do.
Excellent plan structure, by the way.

 

[Bloodworth]

Would be pretty hard to build a good base where the probes are...boring places.

http://www.google.com/mars/#lat=-19.145168&lon=-110.742187&q=spacecraft

Agreed. I believe that we are looking for a landing site of scientific significance, such as near the Mariner valley. Expeditions to the landers and other places of historical significance will be long range (and duration) trips for when we are not busy trying to simply stay alive on the surface.

 

[Urwumpe]

Also, the landing sites of the landers had been chosen for having flat terrain in the whole huge landing ellipse. And this was a few hundred kilometers large for Viking.

 

[Columbia42]

The question is, is it safe to land a manned expedition on uneven terrain or do we need to land in a flat place?

 

[Urwumpe]

The question is, is it safe to land a manned expedition on uneven terrain or do we need to land in a flat place?

We need some flat terrain, but sure not more than the Apollo missions. We have sure better accuracy than 1970s probes.

 

[Bj]

Um OK I think I might of ran into a bit of a snag...

Giving it a rundown, I saw that the Nerva is so large, it would need its own independent launch. I realized a few things; Nerva has enough thrust to take off Earth on its own no problem, but it doesn't look like it is really the flyable type. (meaning we might need to put fairings around it or something.

Just trying I put it on top of a Ariane5 (because it is just strong enough to get it into space, but not into orbit by a long shot.) .. it doesn't fit quite well...

So that kindof leaves the only option of having the Nerva as its own SSTO rocket and we will add fairings on the side to make it protected and look flyable in a atmosphere... or we make another engine like this though capable of being stored in some HLV.

Think that is really capable of getting there, or are we getting a tish futuristic again?

 

[Bloodworth]

How about a proton or energia? Those are bloody huge, powerful launch vehicles.

 

[Izack]

Well, frack. I'm not sure what to do about that, unless you want to move construction to lunar orbit, in which case the NERVA could launch itself believably enough. I'm sure that's a few tishes less realistic, though.

 

[Urwumpe]

We could also try using the XR5 for on-orbit assembly, or a Nova SSTO...

 

[Columbia42]

I'll try putting it on top of an Ares V rocket and see how it does.

 

[Bloodworth]

Or possibly this monster: [nomedia="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4527"]Jarvis Heavy Launch Vehicle[/nomedia]