General Question Orbiter for sale on e-bay?

[cjp]

I agree about not trolling the video, but there are similarities between the video and the ad:

• The video is part of the video channel "broseinternational". The profile mentions name "Ambrose" and country "United Kingdom".
• The ebay ad mentions a price in GBP and a .co.uk e-mail addres, so it gives the impression of being located in the UK
• The ebay ad shows the following contact information:
  Gee Investment
  Ambrose ElenduUL Polna
  8M 18
  07100 Węgrów, mazowieckie
  Poland

Note that the ad claims that all included software is (L)GPL, which is clearly not the case if Orbiter is included.

Additionally, I found this image of the guy. Now before you start shooting when you see him, please remember that there is no evidence that the guy in the picture really has anything to do with this.

I don't know how to decode Polish addresses. The only thing I found on "07100 Węgrów, mazowieckie" (besides other software) was a campsite.

 

[Fizyk]

I don't know how to decode Polish addresses. The only thing I found on "07100 Węgrów, mazowieckie" (besides other software) was a campsite.

It's here (the address is Polna street 8, flat 18).

I hate people like that, trying to sell free software.

 

[Quick_Nick]

Apparently the item is now unavailable. But just earlier, I was reading reviews of the seller and some person said something like that the seller is actually Polish. And then the seller confirmed it but said they have an office in the UK or something like that. (maybe I got it reversed) So, I don't know what to think about where this guy is.
In any case, it's not too important or useful to know.

 

[ex-orbinaut]

also their logo looks a lot like the LG Electronics one

It actually says email LG Software at the very bottom of the page...:idk:

It's here (the address is Polna street 8, flat 18).

I hate people like that, trying to sell free software.

Anyone got a GBU-10 Paveway fitted to their DG? :lol:

 

[Cerebus]

Had a look at their other software titles, and they are also selling OOLITE, and Danger from the deep, making no attempt to hide the title either.
Ok so it's obviously questionable, but I'm betting they'd get away with it using section 4 and 6 of the GPL, which allows you to charge 'Any or no price for each copy you convey', and as long as the licences are included with the CD/DVD it's 'legal'.

 

[Dambuster]

Had a look at their other software titles, and they are also selling OOLITE, and Danger from the deep, making no attempt to hide the title either.
Ok so it's obviously questionable, but I'm betting they'd get away with it using section 4 and 6 of the GPL, which allows you to charge 'Any or no price for each copy you convey', and as long as the licences are included with the CD/DVD it's 'legal'.

Well I happen to play one of the games which he was ripping off (and it is most definitely not GPL!), and the producers of that game are now aware of him selling this. I also checked his previous items, they include much of the same stuff.

 

[Columbia42]

I believe that somewhere in the Orbiter license thingy (very proffesional way of putting that) it says something about the fact that Orbiter is free software and that you can't sell it. Am I right?

 

[Bj]

I hate people like that, trying to sell free software.

Sometimes people dont want to wait to download a program becuase they are lazy or have slow internet access. Whatever the reason, they might what to buy the CD.

Like Ebay people trying to sell ubuntu

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=ubuntu&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Difference is, they are not trying to pass it off as their own software, just a copy of a software that was pre-burned onto a CD.

In the case of burning a CD and charging for CD/shipping, I can see that, but I dont like it when they try to pass it off as their own.

Ban him :tiphat:

 

[Linguofreak]

I believe that somewhere in the Orbiter license thingy (very proffesional way of putting that) it says something about the fact that Orbiter is free software and that you can't sell it. Am I right?

You can't sell it. And if you call it "free software" depends on whether you're using "free" to say that it is not sold for cost, or you're using it to say that it has a certain type of license. It is free software as in "no cost", but not as in "free license". (Generally "Freeware" is used for no cost, and "Free software" is used for "free license").

 

[bwog]

Maybe we should ask the sell these questions?

Where can you find add-ons for the program?
Where else can you buy the program?

 

[supersonic]

Looks like someone else is trying to sell Celestia.
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXPLORE-UNIVERS...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2306ba5dbc

 

[Fizyk]

Difference is, they are not trying to pass it off as their own software, just a copy of a software that was pre-burned onto a CD.

In the case of burning a CD and charging for CD/shipping, I can see that, but I dont like it when they try to pass it off as their own.

True, I agree.

Looks like someone else is trying to sell Celestia.
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXPLORE-UNIVERSE...item2306ba5dbc

Wow, this one goes even further:

Copyright
This item is copyrighted. Any reproduction, duplication or resale of this CD-ROM is prohibited.

 

[bwog]

Looks like someone else is trying to sell Celestia.
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXPLORE-UNIVERS...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2306ba5dbc

Is it just me, or is the one on the left and down one in the description look like Orbiter?

 

[DaveS]

Is it just me, or is the one on the left and down one in the description look like Orbiter?

None of them is from Orbiter.

 

[Urwumpe]

The individual software installer and screenshots are released under the GNU GPL. The license is available on the CD-ROM. All other images, items, box image, CD-ROM menus and designs contain our protected IP.

Doubtful that it is really according to the GPL, since the name is not said, but making distributions is permitted.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney

 

[eveningsky339]

These are all derived from Celestia, and I believe Celestia's license allows for modification of the source code and redistribution, even for a price.

 

[Jake]

Am I the first one to notice that "Amazing Space Simulator"s initials spell "ASS" when shorted?

Anyway, in the youtube vid posted on the channel the "Orbiter 2006 preview vid" titles are not even erased properly at the start. It's like he went through little to no effort to hide it.

Maybe we're getting trolled here :hmm:

 

[Urgentemente]

Orbiter 2009 edition (?!??!) on ebay

Just came across this on ebay, can't see any mention so far of the price being to cover the cost of the CD/DVD.
Really annoys me when people try to profit from other hard work (Martin's and all the people that work on add-ons in this case).

Tho I haven't spent a great deal of time in Orbiter recently (which I'm starting to rectify), when I first found it I couldn't believe such a quality program was free, it's the kind of thing I would have loved to have been available when I was kid (mad on space from an early age), so to see someone trying to make a profit from it makes me


O-F Staff Note: Threads merged.

 

[Lucy]

Looking at his other items, I'd say Orbiter isn't the only thing he's re-selling. Probe will be displeased.

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In other news, the item has been reported to Ebay. The more reports the better, so click the button!

 

[Tex]

ebay will be forced to remove it as soon as Martin contacts them.