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Not to sound skeptikal but that doesn't even sound realistic by 2019; the Orion spacecraft will have to undergo extensive testing first ( something that appears to still be a long ways away; if we ever see a manned flight at all) and the thought of a crew of 2 going into deep space by 2019 with all the political BS going on right now surrounding NASA's future sound VERY far fetched to me.

But on the other hand it would be cool.
 
It seems on-topical to me to post this video here. Visual representation of amount of new asteroids discovered between 1980 and 2010.

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It seems on-topical to me to post this video here. Visual representation of amount of new asteroids discovered between 1980 and 2010.
Yes, I've seen that in a few places. It shows there's really no shortage of destinations! :lol:
 
Aviation Week: "Off To Asteroids".

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A related press release:


Target NEO.

APL team shapes robotic 'precursor' mission for human exploration of an asteroid.

Hopkins Lab taps creativity of NASA/APL interns as well as experts in robotic and human spaceflight.

Ten years ago, NASA's Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous mission (NEAR) made history as the first spacecraft to orbit and land on an asteroid. Now the team behind that successful mission proposes a sequel that could pave the way for astronauts to explore an asteroid for the first time.

Engineers and scientists from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Md., have teamed up with NASA's Goddard and Johnson Space Flight centers to devise "Next Gen NEAR," a concept of a robotic precursor for a human visit to a near-Earth asteroid.

In April, President Barack Obama announced a new direction for the nation's space program, including plans for NASA to send the first human mission to an asteroid by 2025. This requires building a capability to live and work in deep space, beyond the Earth-Moon system. Beyond our Moon, asteroids near Earth (called near-Earth objects, or "NEOs") are our closest and most accessible planetary neighbors, making them a practical stepping-stone for expanded human space exploration.

Only two missions – NEAR, and Japan's Hayabusa – have ever visited and touched the surface of a NEO, and scientists say we need more insight into these objects before we can safely send humans.

"We've learned a lot about NEOs using telescopes, Earth-based radar and two robotic missions, but we'd have to get up close and personal with a specific asteroid again, and learn much more about its environment, before we could send human explorers," says Dr. James Garvin, chief scientist at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "But there is nothing intuitive about operating at an asteroid; in fact, sending humans to an asteroid would be one of the most challenging space missions ever. So to make sure we really understand that challenge, we've paired NASA experts in small-body robotic and human spaceflight with the only team in the U.S. to design, build and operate an asteroid-orbiter mission."

Planners say the mission could launch as soon as 2014 and begin to return data from a target asteroid the following year. The mission's goal is to collect data on the asteroid’s surface and interior, and to scope out potential resources as well as hazards to human visitors. "We can't make these measurements by telescopic remote sensing from Earth or even by spacecraft flyby encounters or distant rendezvous," says Dr. Andrew Cheng, chief scientist in APL's Space Department, who also served as NEAR's lead scientist and is on the Hayabusa team.

Experts say landing on a small body, without an atmosphere or gravity, is completely different than landing on a planet like Mars. "We've worked together to design the Next Gen NEAR concept of operations to parallel, to the extent possible, operations of a future human mission," says Rob Landis, a NASA mission operations specialist.

"A mission like this requires extensive science operations from close-in orbit, including contact with the surface." says Dr. Paul Abell, of Johnson Space Center, Houston, and also a member of the NEAR and Hayabusa science teams.

The Next Gen NEAR spacecraft would run on commercially available subsystems and carry lightweight scientific instruments (such as a camera, composition-measuring spectrometers and even a surface-interaction experiment) with flight heritage. It would be fitted with solar power, propulsion and communications systems that are compatible with launch on a medium-class rocket toward any one of several targets. It would also have payload capacity to spare for a co-manifested mission, as was done with NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter/LCROSS spacecraft.

"This is a simple, straightforward workhorse of a mission that can launch quickly in 2014, stay within tight cost and schedule constraints and return the necessary data, for less than the cost of a low-risk Discovery-class mission," Cheng says. "It can provide the critical capability NASA needs for the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate’s new robotic-precursor exploration program even when budgets for such missions are being severely cut."

The project has also captured the spirit of NASA's Summer of Innovation, with interns at APL playing a key role in the Next Gen NEAR study. Challenged to design an asteroid mission on a capped budget and tight schedule, 15 college interns worked with senior engineers and scientists from APL, GSFC and JSC in the APL concurrent engineering design center. Their innovative mission and spacecraft concepts contributed to Next Gen NEAR. "The experience and results of this study are a win-win for all stakeholders," says Dr. Robert Gold, APL Space Department chief technologist and NEAR mission payload manager.

"Everybody was fired up to work on this project," adds Daniel Kelly, the systems engineer on the student team and an aerospace engineering graduate student at the University of Michigan. "This joint team really clicked."

NEAR Retrospective: NEAR was the first mission to orbit an asteroid and – after a comprehensive year-long study that yielded more than 160,000 images and measurements of the geology, composition and geophysics of asteroid 433 Eros – the first mission to land on an asteroid surface. Designed and built in just 26 months, the car-sized, solar-powered NEAR Shoemaker was one of 64 spacecraft APL has designed, built or operated over the past half-century. Revisit the mission at http://near.jhuapl.edu.

Source.
 
In the state where things are, I'm more concerned by the HLV than by the capsule... The Pad 39B is still in one piece...
 
Spaceflight Now: Asteroids are back in vogue:
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The Plymouth Rock concept identifies eight near-Earth asteroids for a quick five-day visit by astronauts.

"A dual-Orion configuration probably represents the minimum capability necessary to perform an asteroid mission," a Lockheed Martin team led by Josh Hopkins wrote in the white paper.

The Lockheed Martin proposal says the most feasible opportunity to explore an asteroid before President Obama's deadline would be in 2019 and 2020, when an object named 2008 EA9 passes within reach of rockets launched from Earth.

Crude estimates of the asteroid's size indicate it is less than 40 feet in diameter.

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The Plymouth Rock mission could be accomplished in 200 days or less in the 2019 launch opportunity. That duration is within the Orion's design life and comparable to the length of current space station expeditions, reducing the need for major spacecraft modifications and placing the asteroid journey within NASA's experience base.

The crew's exposure to radiation and constrained living volume inside the Orion vehicles would be limiting factors for longer voyages using the Plymouth Rock architecture, according to the white paper.

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The idea of being couped up even in a "stretch" version of a dual Orion capsule for 200 days.... No, I really can't see this plan working and in just over 8 years time? It'll take that long to get the first Orion into orbit.
 
I'm not so concerned by the habitability issue... From wikipedia

It [the Orion capsule] will have more than 2.5 times the volume of an Apollo capsule, which had an interior volume of 5.9 m3

So if they send like 3 astronauts (no more are really needed for that kind of mission), that should OK. I'm pretty sure than (nuclear) submariners endure far worse constraints when they stay at more than 100 people encapsulated under water for months. With modern technology they could have good linkage with the Earth, even with some delay when far away.

Maybe this could work with a dual launch... One DeltaIV-H sends a booster in orbit, then a DeltaIV sends the Orion capsule for rendez-vous with the booster for a "planetary" injection burn.
 
I'm pretty sure than (nuclear) submariners endure far worse constraints when they stay at more than 100 people encapsulated under water for months.

Speaking from experience: "Perhaps". I'd volunteer for this mission in a heart beat. Besides, the view is WAY better and it would be easier to communicate with family while away.
 
Well, if we persuaded Frank Borman and Jim Lovell to spend two weeks in a Gemini capsule, I think we won't have trouble convincing three people to spend the better part of a year in a craft where at least they can take a shower.
 
This seems significantly cheaper, but it's compensation. Mining asteroids would be something else.
A 200-day mission shouldn't be a problem otherwise. Space station crew members have done more than that. May be bigger, but 400 days have been done.
 
Perhaps this belongs elsewhere, but I figured rather than creating a new thread to ask this I'd try it here..

Has anyone tried flying the 2019 mission to 2008 EA9 described in the Plymouth Rock paper?
I was going to attempt it using the Antares / HES-5 combination after adding the asteroid with MPCORB, but I can't seem to figure out how to eject for an intercept. The Lockheed Martin paper provides details including departure and arrival dates and C3 and delta-v values for all major maneuvers. However, I can't get either IMFD or Transx to replicate them. When I try to leave LEO on the appointed date, IMFD offers me a transfer orbit requiring over 10 km/s delta-v. It seems to want to send me to the asteroid by way of Mars. Transx, on the other hand, goes nuts when I adjust delta-v for the escape close to the LM value. Even when I stop making changes, date and distance of closest approach start oscillating wildly, and the position marker "hands" on the MFD spin like a clock.
I suspect the orbit of 2008 EA9, and the transfer I'm trying to make, are just so odd that they're outside the conditions these MFDs are optimized for. Or, I may just be an idiot who isn't setting them up right.
If anyone has tried the Plymouth Rock missions and has any wisdom to spare, I'd love to hear it. Well, any sort of wisdom is welcome, really. :thumbup:

Paper is here.
 
Also tried it and failed. The problem is that the orbital elements will be much different in 2019. Writing a dll for the asteroid would be a solution.
 
Also tried it and failed. The problem is that the orbital elements will be much different in 2019. Writing a dll for the asteroid would be a solution.
My condolences! I'm glad to know it's not just me. Sadly, dll writing is beyond my limited abilities. :)
 
If I figure out when Horizons' telnet server works, there may be a workable SPICE kernel to use...
 
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