News Proof of Aliens Could Come Within 25 Years, Scientist Says

[Urwumpe]

How do we know for certain that we haven't already been visited............
(Laugh all you want).
The bible for instance is full of references of the gods coming down from heaven and speaking to us;take a look at the passage were Moses is on the mountain top and gets handed down the 10 commandments.

I'm a strong believer in the fact that we have already been visited but our limited intellect at the time viewed these visitations as "Gods coming down from heaven".

Just my personal opinion................. feel free to poke fun at it all you want

There is just a strong lack of everything else, you know?

Of course I can poke fun at you, but that is not really interesting. Better elaborate why you believe it despite no other evidence of alien visitors existing, aside of re-interpretations of ancient religious texts. That people thought that Gods exist in the sky is for example not that new.

 

[jedidia]

This could be circumvented by quantum physics

as far as I know, quantum physics knows of only one "FTL"-effect, and that's absolutely impossible to use for communication. I'm far from knowing anything in that area, however I do know that a simple transistor is quite a practical use of quantum physics, and without that we wouldn't have electronics... And looking at how much we use electronic devices nowadays, I'd say that's as practical as any science can get.

The bible for instance is full of references of the gods coming down from heaven and speaking to us;take a look at the passage were Moses is on the mountain top and gets handed down the 10 commandments.

WHY ON EARTH is it that people like to cite misinterpretations of the Bible when there's weird theories of aliens or earth destroying planets involved, but rarely anyone ever tries to take the things seriously it is actually talking about??? :beathead:
I guess aliens don't compell you to change your life, how convieniant.

to say something on the actual topic: I see no reason whatsoever why the chances of discovering Alien signals in the next 20 years should be any higher than during the last 20 years. It's not like we made some awesome new discoveries in the field of alien detection technology...

 

[Yoda]

The belief in (or lack off) alien visitations in the past based on "Evidence" can go either way.

Just because there is no "Evidence" does not take away the fact that it could or could not have happended; we just simply do not know for sure, but that doesn't take away from teh fact that it MIGHT have happended.

Were is the "evidence" that it didn't happen ???

Do you believe in a God/Higher power? If so were is the "evidence" of it's exsistence, yet billions still believe, and NONE of us will know for sure until we pass on.

Don't dismiss something simply because we cannot prove it at this time.

:thumbup:

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as far as I know, quantum physics knows of only one "FTL"-effect, and that's absolutely impossible to use for communication. I'm far from knowing anything in that area, however I do know that a simple transistor is quite a practical use of quantum physics, and without that we wouldn't have electronics... And looking at how much we use electronic devices nowadays, I'd say that's as practical as any science can get.



WHY ON EARTH is it that people like to cite misinterpretations of the Bible when there's weird theories of aliens or earth destroying planets involved, but rarely anyone ever tries to take the things seriously it is actually talking about??? :beathead:
I guess aliens don't compell you to change your life, how convieniant.

to say something on the actual topic: I see no reason whatsoever why the chances of discovering Alien signals in the next 20 years should be any higher than during the last 20 years. It's not like we made some awesome new discoveries in the field of alien detection technology...

The Bible is a book like many others, nothing more, nothing less.
It does refer to some interesting occurances however.

 

[jedidia]

I was not complaining about your belief that Aliens exist. I'm complaining that you're citing a book that talks about completely different things. For example, The Bible says pretty clearly WHO gave the 10 commandements to Mose. So pointing to the part where the ten commandements are given, and ignoring the explanation given to it, is selective admission of evidence.

It does refer to some interesting occurances however.

Indeed. Like Jesus dying for the sins of man, and telling us how to treat each other. Just that that part seems to get forgotten or dismissed most of the time.
But that's the last from me on that part, really, or we'll get way too far off topic

 

[Tommy]

Proof that Elvis is an Alien could come in 25 years, Tommy says.

It's not likely, but it COULD happen!

Another reply to such criticisms is that the Drake Equation is a Fermi Problem which involves the multiplication of several estimated factors, and such calculations (e.g. the number of piano tuners in Chicago) will _probably_ be more accurate than might be first supposed (assuming that there is no consistent bias in the estimated factors).

All of the estimates for N come from people who have worked in SETI, and I can hardly assume them to be unbiased. They are the "true believers", and can at least be considered highly optimistic. Who would devote that much of their life into looking for something they didn't already believe exists?

 

[Yoda]

I was not complaining about your belief that Aliens exist. I'm complaining that you're citing a book that talks about completely different things. For example, The Bible says pretty clearly WHO gave the 10 commandements to Mose. So pointing to the part where the ten commandements are given, and ignoring the explanation given to it, is selective admission of evidence.



Indeed. Like Jesus dying for the sins of man, and telling us how to treat each other. Just that that part seems to get forgotten or dismissed most of the time.
But that's the last from me on that part, really, or we'll get way too far off topic

If you believe in the Bible, more power to you, I simply don't buy it.

 

[RisingFury]

The belief in (or lack off) alien visitations in the past based on "Evidence" can go either way.

Just because there is no "Evidence" does not take away the fact that it could or could not have happended; we just simply do not know for sure, but that doesn't take away from teh fact that it MIGHT have happended.

Were is the "evidence" that it didn't happen ???

Do you believe in a God/Higher power? If so were is the "evidence" of it's exsistence, yet billions still believe, and NONE of us will know for sure until we pass on.

Don't dismiss something simply because we cannot prove it at this time.

:thumbup:

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The Bible is a book like many others, nothing more, nothing less.
It does refer to some interesting occurances however.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If you wanna believe in something on a personal level, that's fine with me. But the moment you try to convince other people of the same thing, the burden of proof is on your shoulders. Just saying: "You can't prove that it didn't happen, therefore it could have or it did." isn't good enough. If it was, I might as well say that I've invented a power source capable of an infinite power output, but it only works when you're not measuring.


The Bible may reference some interesting "occurrences", but so do many sci-fi novels... Sorry if I don't take a bunch of bronze age myths of the Earth being the flat center of the universe, talking snakes, giant fish, angels and demons, and other sorts of nonsense as proof...

 

[Urwumpe]

The belief in (or lack off) alien visitations in the past based on "Evidence" can go either way.

Just because there is no "Evidence" does not take away the fact that it could or could not have happended; we just simply do not know for sure, but that doesn't take away from teh fact that it MIGHT have happended.

And that is wrong. No evidence for something = something does not exist. You can't prove that invisible pink unicorns do not exist. Does that mean that they sure exist? No. It is just potentially possible for them to exist. A probability that something might one day be found.

The invisible and the not existing are pretty much alike.

 

[jedidia]

I simply don't buy it.

no, you'd rather buy that aliens commanded the israelites to take a day of per week.
Look, I want to assure you it's nothing personal. But I'm rather fond of theology, and hearing it used as "evidence" for the existance of extraterrestrials is about the same as hearing the Edda quoted in favour of the argument for the existance of the Smurfs. It's simply not the right context.

 

[Yoda]

no, you'd rather buy that aliens commanded the israelites to take a day of per week.
Look, I want to assure you it's nothing personal. But I'm rather fond of theology, and hearing it used as "evidence" for the existance of extraterrestrials is about the same as hearing the Edda quoted in favour of the argument for the existance of the Smurfs. It's simply not the right context.

Never said that this was "evidence" for my theory; read my post a bit more carefully before you start putting words in my mouth. :facepalm:

 

[T.Neo]

I'm a strong believer in the fact that we have already been visited but our limited intellect at the time viewed these visitations as "Gods coming down from heaven".

Limited intellect at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think human intelligence has changed over the last ~2000 years...

 

[Urwumpe]

Limited intellect at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think human intelligence has changed over the last ~2000 years...

He means the inability to write *randomyoutubecomment*. We are oh so much smarter today, because we need 5000 experts for building a single house.

 

[Artlav]

Do alien topics qualify as religious discussions?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think human intelligence has changed over the last ~2000 years...

Intelligence? May be not. Understanding? A great deal.

But even today aliens coming from an unusual direction (i.e. not from flying saucers landing in cities or giant spacegoing WTF peeling ISS) would likely be perceived as something supernatural and worth of worship or anti-worship.

 

[SiberianTiger]

Limited intellect at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think human intelligence has changed over the last ~2000 years...

If you try to do any math with Roman numerals, you might even get convinced in the opposite...

 

[RisingFury]

If you try to do any math with Roman numerals, you might even get convinced in the opposite...

Indeed. They have no concept of zero or negative numbers.

 

[Urwumpe]

And at the same time, a 1000 year old Maya structure already shows coarse understanding of Bernoullis law.

Some basic technologies of making wooden structures are over 9000 years old actually.

 

[T.Neo]

And at the same time, a 1000 year old Maya structure already shows coarse understanding of Bernoullis law.

Some basic technologies of making wooden structures are over 9000 years old actually.

Ancient achievements are deserving of plenty of credit. I think they were seriously smart, and had a seriously good work ethic, to pull off stuff like the pyramids...

 

[RisingFury]

Ancient achievements are deserving of plenty of credit. I think they were seriously smart, and had a seriously good work ethic, to pull off stuff like the pyramids...

Oh no... that was The Probe.

 

[Ghostrider]

Humans used to be smarter - they had to do more with less. And they didn't have emos or Justin Bieber, so people of the past were definitely superior.

 

[Urwumpe]

Ancient achievements are deserving of plenty of credit. I think they were seriously smart, and had a seriously good work ethic, to pull off stuff like the pyramids...

Actually, the pyramids are a great example of creating economic incitement.

The pyramids have not been produced by slaves, but actually by a number of highly paid monument experts and a number of untrained season labor (eg, farmers during flooding season), employed by a very professional work plan, working in two shifts during the day.