Star Trek XI, new Enterprise

[n72.75]

what does everone think of the new enterprise.

does it suck?

NEW: http://www.inobambino.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/enterprise_orbit_1080.jpg

OLD: http://img.trekmovie.com/images/wip_006.jpg

 

[Andy44]

There's nothing like the old classic.

The best episode of Enterprise was the 2-parter set in the Mirror Unverse in which Archer and co. found out the Tholians were hiding the USS Defiant from the original series. The Defiant, of course, was a sister ship of Enterprise and was lost in the episode "The Tholian Web", and they modeled it correctly in Enterprise, except for a few CGI touches it was the same Constitution class design. The best part was when Archer's crew took it out and started blasting Tholians, using the old school phasers and photorps, complete with sound effects.

 

[BenSisko]

I'm a bit disappointed that the "keepers of the flame" at Paramount have not been consistent in the way they have portrayed the Enterprise over the years. Wasn’t the original built in space dock?

 

[Andy44]

As I heard it the original was built in orbit over Mars, then before the first movie it was rebuilt in the "dry dock" in Earth orbit.

But ST writers have never been consistent. The future history timeline changed somewhere between TOS and Next Gen, as did a bunch of other stuff. And the awful Archer show was shoe-horned into the timeline with a "first" Enterprise that didn't fit the history timelines, either.

It's kind of like James Bond; if you try to string it all together it's nonsense. Just try to ignore it and enjoy the movie, I guess. My biggest problem with the new film is that Nimoy is going to be in it, it's going to have Romulans, which Kirk never saw until season 1, and it's going to have time travel, which ruins all sci fi.

 

[RocketMan_Len]

and it's going to have time travel, which ruins all sci fi.

I think it depends on how time-travel is approached in SF. I liked the way the Star Trek writers dealt with in in 'Assignment: Earth' - they didn't interfere... but were part of what had to occur.

It was when they started using time-jumping as an excuse for ANY inconsistency that I lost my respect for them.

 

[BenSisko]

I think I'll have some trouble with the new Trek as well but I was hooked in 1966, I can't fight it!

Speaking of Trek nostalgia, what about TNG episode with Scotty and the Dyson sphere where they recreated the bridge of NCC-1701 on a holodeck then
Scotty & Geordi drank to to two great ships and Chief Engineers!

Ben

 

[Andy44]

Yeah, seeing the old bridge was cool. So was the episode where Sisko's gang goes back to the Trouble With Tribbles, O'Brian gets into the bar fight with the Klingons, and then gets ass-chewed by Kirk.

 

[Danny Ramone]

Is that pic of the "New enterprise" in the first post actually from the movie? cos i know there was a lot of similar "fan-art" floating around when the new movie was announced.

I think what we have to remember is that the original enterprise was designed back in the 60's. It was pretty "out there" and advanced for special effects at the time. now 40 yeas + on the bar has been lifted somewhat. I think they have done a good job in showing what the original enterprise would have looked like measured against modern standards with higher detail as to what the various parts of the ship do.

I'm personally happy that they are doing a re-invention, i think they should have gone even further and only loosely based on the original. In a similar way to the new BSG and the new Batman movies.

the archer series had promise but was ruined by being too advanced too quick. I think it should have had a more low-tech/near tech feel. Thats what I would like to see in these re-imagined movies.

 

[Jarvitä]

the archer series had promise but was ruined by being too advanced too quick. I think it should have had a more low-tech/near tech feel. Thats what I would like to see in these re-imagined movies.

Say hello to the Apple iBridge

 

[ar81]

I can imagine the movie as the "SmallVile" version of Star Trek.
You will see Uhura having a romance with Spock, then McCoy, then you will have the woman of Kirk starting an affair with Chekov before she has the son of Kirk, and it will end up being that McCoy is the real father of Spock, but in an episode of amnesia everyone will forget that they met each other, so the movies could begin.

 

[Zatnikitelman]

No, the "new" Enterprise posted is not the one in the movie. I forget exactly where a pic from the movie is, but that's not it. The posted pic is one made by I think a 'Trek CG artist as a "what would Enterprise look like if designed today" kind of thing.
The iNterprise in the movie looks inside and out like an Apple product. Though I can't find the pic, take the "new" version posted, flatten the engineering hull a bit, bring the nacelles closer in and farther forward, combine the movie-era nacelles with the "new" nacelles and add some random yet completely pointless cut-ins with weird compound curves around the aft part of nacelles and engineering hull and a solid-white hull and you get the movie version.
IT SUCKS!! They should have gotten the CG files used in the mirror episodes of Enterprise or the remastered versions of TOS and given us the Enterprise! It's a good ship in and of itself, but IT IS NOT ENTERPRISE!!

 

[Brad]

Personally I am looking forward to the new Star Trek movie this spring. For best episode, I'd vote for Balance of Terror. This is the episode were they fight the Romulans for the first time.

As to pictures of the Enterprise... here are some captures from the trailers.

 

[dougkeenan]

New Enterprise (from the studio)

 

[ar81]

what does everone think of the new enterprise.

does it suck?

NEW: http://www.inobambino.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/enterprise_orbit_1080.jpg

OLD: http://img.trekmovie.com/images/wip_006.jpg

The new one sucks. It looks as charmy as a tire with a bump. :rofl:

It looks like it goes in the same direction of revamped Lost in Space, Armageddon and Wing Commander vessels. Dark gray, old washed steel surface, predominance of spherical glass and cylindrical shapes.
It is a design style that ressembles Heavy Metal and Metal Hurland comics. But as you add spheres it looks cartoonish.

I call it "dark bumpy cartoonish Millenium Falcon" design.
I think that style has been artistically depleted.

The old classic style, or realistic style is more interesting if you ask me.
I'd say it is Hollywood ignorance.
As crisis rages, only the mediocre scripter with political connections will survive, and you will see it in Hollywood movies very soon.

 

[tgep]

I don't know a lot about the new movie. To be honest, I've lost my enthusiasm for the franchise. I'm sure they could have done a better job on the new design but you get what you get. Personaly, I don't like it.

 

[streb2001]

Yes, it all went downhill after "The Cage".

It's new Trek and so I am excited. I don't get it when trekkies become hung up on episodes or ships being non canon. Trek is about telling stories, not about keeping true to some rigid fictional future history (IMO). I bet if Matt Jefferies had access to our 2008 CGI facilities he would have designed something as stunning as that new Enterprise rather than nailing together some bits of wood he found on the studio scrapyard. And then spraying it white and writing "Enterprise" on it using Letraset.

Puts tin hat on and runs away...........

 

[dougkeenan]

"Matt Jefferies"

 

[Eagle]

Dispatch engineering team to investigate Holodeck malfunction traced to Jefferies tube 4C.

 

[Zachstar]

I like the new design.

Voyager ruined any chance of old trek effectively continuing. You knew the federation was going to win so any shows between TMP and TNG or ENT and TOS would be useless at this point.

Instead of moaning and complaining how about we just accept that trek is going to the next generations and it being redone is best for the future.

Look at ENT it finally got good and they canned it becuase of a growing lack of interest in anything trek wise.

This is new trek ENT and before is "Old Trek" and that is the way it will be.

 

[n122vu]

I can imagine the movie as the "SmallVile" version of Star Trek.
You will see Uhura having a romance with Spock, then McCoy, then you will have the woman of Kirk starting an affair with Chekov before she has the son of Kirk, and it will end up being that McCoy is the real father of Spock, but in an episode of amnesia everyone will forget that they met each other, so the movies could begin.

:rofl:

Seriously, I think you nailed it with this opinion ar81. Even though I'm a huge Smallville fan, I get tired of the soap-opera drama they feel forced to work into the story sometimes.

Another thing I can't get over is the fact that if you just glance at the new Bones McCoy in a hurry, or in a smaller image, he looks like Matt LeBlanc. I can just imagine him walking up to Uhura and saying, "How YOU doin..."

I think Danny Ramone also makes a good point. Just in the same way Batman has been reinvented several times in the last 20 years, so has Star Trek. Don't get me wrong, I am a die-hard fan of TOS, but after a while I learned to love the Enterprise D and her crew from TNG. Didn't get into Enterprise series though. I haven't cared for any of the trailers I've seen for the new movie yet, and the story line seems very, very weak, but I may give it a chance, or may wait until it comes out on DVD.

As for the more recent Batman movies, well, that's for another thread. Just want to say, in my opinion, these are the only ones that truly do the character justice. All the others are on the same level as Highlander 2 in my opinion....

n122vu