Theres proof that we landed on the moon

[Southwell]

I am quite sure that the Apollo astronauts left mirrors on the lunar surface. Not sure which missions but they left them there and astrologers can use these to take measurements of the moons orbit etc. So i can imagine as telescope power gets stronger over the years to come and telescopes powerful enough to see these mirrors or their reflections of radiation or whatever will become available to show the idiots who do not beleive

 

[Urwumpe]

There is this chasm when it comes to subjects such as "did we or didnt we land on the moon?" Both sides build up this wall of evidence that shows "definitive proof" that we did or that we didn't. For me to come to the conclusions I have come to, took me giving both sides a look with as much of an unbiased mind set as possible. I've been able to agree that certain footage clips, when highly scrutinized, expose their "sound stage" origins because I'm willing to actually watch them with an open mind and I try to understand how the evidence is laid out to claim it as a hoax.

Yes, but the chasm goes between two different things as you believe: It is the chasm between knowledge and faith. Moon hoaxers don't know that humans landed not on the moon, they believe it and search for self-affirming evidence that works in circular logic: If the moon landing is faked, then this image would mean that the moon landing is faked.

It is not scientific and no sign of true logic. It is a sign of a closed mind and a closed logical system that is only then not contradicting itself, if all influences are controlled. If the laws of physics are not the real ones, but only those laws of physics that don't contradict the moon hoax, the moon hoax logic works. If evidence that contradicts the moon hoax can be left out, it works.

Short: All things that are necessary in science and law to find the best possible approximation to the truth are missing. Really all. Moon hoaxers operate on a logic that can be best described by a classic Monty Python:

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

 

[garyw]

I am quite sure that the Apollo astronauts left mirrors on the lunar surface. Not sure which missions but they left them there and astrologers can use these to take measurements of the moons orbit etc.

They did and it's ASTRONOMERS that use them, Astrologers gaze at others things. :lol:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment"]Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The conspiracy folks claim that these reflectors have been left by robots.

 

[T.Neo]

The conspiracy folks claim that these reflectors have been left by robots.

Indeed, and while it may be possible for a robotic lander to place such a reflector (such reflectors were placed on the Moon by Soviet probes, AFAIK), they could not have collected the many kilograms of lunar samples that were collected by astronauts during the Apollo program- soviet return probes only yielded a few grams of lunar material.

Likewise, antarctic lunar meteorites couldn't be used for the lunar material. They are too rare, and the only reason they can be identified as having come from the Moon in the first place is because they have been compared to Apollo samples.

EDIT:
The probe in question is Lunokhod- the retroreflector can be seen in this image (the small structure on the left is the retroreflector).

 

[bujin]

They did and it's ASTRONOMERS that use them, Astrologers gaze at others things. :lol:

Dunno which is more worthy of derision - moon landing hoax theorists or astrologers! :lol:

 

[Urwumpe]

To the robotic reflector theory, please remember that the location of the reflector has to be known accurately. the laser beam is just a few meter wide when it hits the moon. In fact, one reflector was missing for 40 years until the LRO discovered the Russian rover again.

 

[Mantis]

They did and it's ASTRONOMERS that use them, Astrologers gaze at others things. :lol:

Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The conspiracy folks claim that these reflectors have been left by robots.

That's just what I was talking about. Conspiracy nutbars simply refuse to accept any fact that contradicts their opinions. When presented with evidence that blows away their theories, they simply construct even more ridiculous and unsubstantiated theories to "refute" the new evidence. Show them something concrete that was left there by the astronauts and they claim it was put there by robots. Show them a photograph and they claim it was doctored. They don't have any evidence to support such claims but in their minds they don't need any evidence. Rather than looking at facts and arriving at an informed view, they take an uniformed view and warp/distort/explain away the facts and evidence in order to support that view.

 

[Viper1]

Phil Plait, the creator of Bad Astronomy has an interesting page debunking a lot of the hoax believers evidence. Its a little old but its relevant.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
:tiphat:

 

[garyw]

O-F Staff note: This thread has been cleaned up after numerous off-topic posts.

The discussion on the electical universe theory has been split off and given it's own thread here.

Please keep things on topic.

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