US Government Brings Martial Law in October 1st 2008 [HOAX. Date Expired]

Geez, this is just idiocy in the other direction. The sad part is that there are people who will actually believe this. I would never for one second think the republicans want martial law, cause making a profit in those kind of conditions is extremely difficult. ;)
 
Geez, this is just idiocy in the other direction. The sad part is that there are people who will actually believe this. I would never for one second think the republicans want martial law, cause making a profit in those kind of conditions is extremely difficult. ;)

Oh, just use enough ammo per week and you make a profit. :P
 
I think I'm as Liberal as most American Orbiternauts (though perhaps not Liberal at all by European standards) and I can't say I'm much worried about this. One might argue that this is the National Guard's job, but it's sometimes hard to get National Guard units quickly mobilized and across state lines in a regional emergency.

When the Army starts quartering Redcoats in my house, then I'm takin' down my flintlock. More seriously, I would worry if the Army starts carrying out active patrol and police duties outside of an active state of emergency.

As for the video, who cares what it means... it's hysterically funny. I like how matter-of-factly everyone is behaving, "Oh, another alien invasion. I wonder what's for lunch?"
 
This sort of stuff is not news to those of us with connections to the paranoid underworld. Among some of the gun forums I sometimes cruise I run across links to Alex Jones' website. He is a wacko radio show host in Texas is it?...who has been warning of a UN takeover of the US for over a decade now, and along that theme he reports every one of these type of stories in the most sinister light imaginable.

Alex Jones, like our girl Amy here, all follow a pattern: they take something factual and blow it out of proportion in a manner which scares the bejezus out of their faithful listeners. Sometimes they are actually right, or almost right, and this only reinforces their listenership.

Now I'll put my own tin hat on and just say that I think it's healthy to have a little cynicism over the government's plans for stuff like this. After all, federal troops were deployed during the Rodney King riots in LA, and of course troops and out-of-state police did go door to door in New Orleans invading people's homes and disarming them after the hurricane Katrina disaster. Amy and Alex are wackjobs, yes, but that doesn't mean you should settle back on your couch and go back to watching football like a zombie. Liberty requires you to give a damn, or else it goes away.

ETA: That video of the Death Star over San Francisco is way-cool. I especially like the Telegraph Hill Parots at the end.
 
Our forefathers had the where with all to provide security for US citizens in case the government became to powerful and threatened the civilian population. That is what the second amendment is about, the right to bear arms. Just try to take my rights away and you will be talking to the business end of my arsenal.:beach:
 
From Army Times:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1



3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.
Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.
It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.
But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.
“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”
The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.
Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.
Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.
The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.
In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.
The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.
“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”
The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.
“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.
“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”
The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).
“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”
While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.
“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.
Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.
Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.
Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.
A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.
In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.
There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.
“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.
“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
 
I know that UN troops train here at the air force base too. By the sounds of the BS article I should get out my gun now. Uh wait they've been here longer. I'll avoid that now.

Seriously, I was here when Russian troops started training in the US
 
I've been discussing this on another board and some claim that there is nothing to worry about it, that this was just a routine administrative move. But to me this indicates that either the US DoD is worried about trouble during the elections foreign or domestic, or as likely, with the overseas deployments, the National Guard isn't in the shape to perform its domestic mission.

Any which way this is not good for a host of reasons.
 
Our forefathers had the where with all to provide security for US citizens in case the government became to powerful and threatened the civilian population. That is what the second amendment is about, the right to bear arms. Just try to take my rights away and you will be talking to the business end of my arsenal.:beach:

Without getting too political (I hope), as far as the US military is concerned your 'arsenal' is going to look like a water gun anyway, so what is the real point? Nothing a citizen can own (legally or illegally) is going to stop a laser guided bomb or a tank shell. So the fact is, guns or no guns, the government can subdue you. The question is why would they ever want to?
 
Oh noes! The government's a commin' to take ma house!

*readies shotgun*

Yeah, so what if the Army is around? It wouldn't bother me. They're not violating any of my rights, yet.

The fact is our government fears it's own people. If we as one were to stand up to them, we'd make them crap out into the fetal position. Until then they'll keep us down as long as possible.
 
as far as the US military is concerned your 'arsenal' is going to look like a water gun anyway, so what is the real point? Nothing a citizen can own (legally or illegally) is going to stop a laser guided bomb or a tank shell.

Of course not, but any guerrilla force is more or less in the same situation. As far as the US is concerned, what government is going to bomb its own cities into oblivion? Even if it had no concern at all for the populace, it would kill the economy, and that's exactly what they would not want to do. An armed citizenry can still cause a lot of havoc to a dictatorial government, a disarmed one can only roll over and comply.
 
For some reason, this reminds me of a little thing that happened many years ago. Back then, I was an avid backpacker. A group of us would fly to El Paso, then rent a car to drive across New Mexico to one of our favorite destinations, the little-known and very rugged Gila Wilderness.

This group had a lot of history nerds in it. On the flight from Houston on this particular trip, we had been talking about the European theater in World War II, in particular, the details of the final assaults in the Spring of 1945, and the political effects that the tactical decisions in those final campaigns had had.

As we were getting off the plane in El Paso, passengers from another flight were coming off a plane from a gate next to the one we were walking out of. All of a sudden a couple of dozen Werhmacht troops in combat fatigues came strolling out out of that gate into the terminal, laughing and talking with each other. (There are a lot of military bases out there in the desert -- they must have been arriving for some kind of joint training exercise.)

My friends and I all stopped and silently watched them pass. Then we broke into gales of laughter, drawing stares from people all around us.

I guess you'd have had to be there ....
 
Reminds me on the story of a friend - he had been on a life-action role-playing convention, dressed up together with some other friends as Orcs. It was a misty morning and they planned to assault another group. They saw a group in the mist and started charging down the hill.

Towards a group of japanese tourists, who wanted to visit the castle close to the convention, and who thought, this must have been part of the show.
 
I think that it is surely, still, an assembly ( un "montage", un "coup"...) of Yes Men. :)


Off topic :

a thought for Malalaï Kakar.
 
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Doesn't the US already so this to a lesser extent with the national guard? Whats with all the religious references in the video? Isn't brainwashing illegal?
 
Doesn't the US already so this to a lesser extent with the national guard?

The National Guard is normally under the command of the State Govenors and its primary mission is civil defense with its secondary role as a reserve of troops for the President (at least it was supposed to be).
 
Consider this angle on the issue of "martial law." The U.S Coast Guard (and its predessor Revenue Cutter Service) is an "armed service" carrying out law enforcement duties since 1790. The Coast Guard is specifically exempted from the Posse Comitatus Act, in part because, in peace time, it was under the the jurisdiction of the Treasury Department (followed more recently by Department of Transportation and now the Department of Homeland Security).

In "war time" the Coast Guard falls under the jusidiction of the Navy. I place "war time" in quotes becuase the United States last declared war - and put the Coast Gurad wholly under Navy command - in 1941. Every war since then has been undeclared, and now we find ourselves in this bizarre, neverending (I would say dangerously self-deceptive and false) "War on Terror." This continuous state of war, combined with Army units training for domestic law enforcement activities, is my only source of concern regarding the 3rd Division, 1st Brigade's current mission. It feels like the top end of a slippery slope. I think Andy hits the nail on the head in his admonishment that citizens remain watchful and skeptical of these developments.

Meanwhile - during peace time, declared war and "war time" - the U.S. Coast Guard not only enforces the law, but for over two centuries has enjoyed extrodinary police powers. Coast Guard personnel can, at any time, board any vessel operating in U.S. navigable waters, search the vessel top to bottom, seize contraband, enforce life safety and environmental laws, issue citations - even make arrests - all of it without probable cause and without a warrent. "Vessel" means anything that floats, and "navigable waters" basically means any stream big enough to operate a canoe or raft. In my short time as a Coast Guard Reservist, one of the most delightful activities was boarding a pleasure boat owned by a lawyer to inspect his personal floatation devices and fire extinguishers. As we wrote up citations, sometimes carrying fairly heavy fines, the high-minded Esquire would rant and rave about his Constitutional rights, unware that on the water, to a significant degree, he had none! (I'm lookin' at YOU Greg Burch. Sit down and shut up! God I miss those days of being a twenty-something kid pushing lawyers around :lol:)

How is it that this armed service with extrodinary law enforcement powers can operate in the U.S. of A. for over 200 years without a public outcry and armed revolution? Honestly, the only things restraining the U.S. Coast Guard are rational thought and sound principle. Rationally, you can not expect the Coast Guard to obtain warrents to search vessels that can move hundreds of miles in any direction, even leaving U.S. territory, while a judge consumes hours and days weighing probable cause. (Even lawyers can understand that, at least in theory, if it isn't their boat being searched.) On principle, U.S. armed forces operate under civilian control, sworn to defend the Constitution - not the Congress, Supreme Court or the President. It's a tradition of citizen soldiers defending the rights of their fellow citizens. Tradition is really all that stands between today's lightly armed citizenry and the heavy guns and lazer guided bombs possessed by our military.

Traditions and rationality are always under threat of being cast aside. Thus, we must remain vigilent. As I see things, the Republicans generally - and George W. Bush, Dick Chaney, and (to a lesser degree) John McCain specifically - seem to have an ever lighter grip on those rational traditions. This is just one of the many reasons I will be voting Obama - then watching him like a hawk... I'm sure this worries him. :dry:
 
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