violence inherant in religion?

[toddhisattva]

You don't know, what inquisition really means, until you sit around encircled by linux geeks, and are asked, which distribution you prefer.

BSD!

Then run like hell.

 

[eveningsky339]

You don't know, what inquisition really means, until you sit around encircled by linux geeks, and are asked, which distribution you prefer.

Or until you spend at least two hours a day calling Dell tech support and hearing Rommel Elsabadelaahalahal trying to fix your problems.

 

[Urwumpe]

Or until you spend at least two hours a day calling Dell tech support and hearing Rommel Elsabadelaahalahal trying to fix your problems.

Oh. You have never dealt with the German company T-Com?

Practically Monopolist, still having many habits of the federal mail service. When your telephone does not work, they offer you to send a technician ASAP.

This means: You get a day. On this day, somewhere between 8:00 and 16:00 the technician will come and fix your stuff. Or will not come. Or will come, ring once and if you don't open the door in 33.5 seconds, drop an already prepared complaint about your absence into your mailbox and runs away. The next appointment will be in 3 weeks or so. Of course, according to the same rules... somewhere between 8 and 16, or not at all...

You think, Dell is terrible? You have not seen Germanies former bureaucrats yet...

Even worse had been the experience of a friend. He changed his phone and Internet contract to a flat rate payment. A few weeks later, he got a bill over a few thousand €. They billed his own contract (per minute), the flat rate and some oscure extra bill. Instead of realizing that they did something wrong (they billed twice for the same service - illegal in Germany), they insisted on being right. And in the moment my friend called a lawyer and sued the T-com, they cut his telephone - he was without phone for two months (until a new companies was found and was able to connect him, because the T-Com is not willed loosing customers).

Not too bad for him, he can survive this. But his friend works as independent mid wife and needed the phone for earning money...

 

[ar81]

Rule of thumb: If you write an email outside of your team at work, it may lead you to trouble, specially if it goes to top management, no matter how harmless or how interesting or relevant it will be. Such emails are heretic.

 

[eveningsky339]

Rule of thumb: If you write an email outside of your team at work, it may lead you to trouble, specially if it goes to top management, no matter how harmless or how interesting or relevant it will be. Such emails are heretic.

Email: "Hey Tom, did you ever get your car fixed?"

Management: Burn the heretic!

Oh. You have never dealt with the German company T-Com?

Practically Monopolist, still having many habits of the federal mail service. When your telephone does not work, they offer you to send a technician ASAP.

This means: You get a day. On this day, somewhere between 8:00 and 16:00 the technician will come and fix your stuff. Or will not come. Or will come, ring once and if you don't open the door in 33.5 seconds, drop an already prepared complaint about your absence into your mailbox and runs away. The next appointment will be in 3 weeks or so. Of course, according to the same rules... somewhere between 8 and 16, or not at all...

You think, Dell is terrible? You have not seen Germanies former bureaucrats yet...

Even worse had been the experience of a friend. He changed his phone and Internet contract to a flat rate payment. A few weeks later, he got a bill over a few thousand €. They billed his own contract (per minute), the flat rate and some oscure extra bill. Instead of realizing that they did something wrong (they billed twice for the same service - illegal in Germany), they insisted on being right. And in the moment my friend called a lawyer and sued the T-com, they cut his telephone - he was without phone for two months (until a new companies was found and was able to connect him, because the T-Com is not willed loosing customers).

Not too bad for him, he can survive this. But his friend works as independent mid wife and needed the phone for earning money...

That sounds more than Inquisitionish... it's purgatory. Did T-com tell your friend that all his sins are forgiven?

 

[BHawthorne]

Violence is not inherant to anything. Religion is just a justification for some. People latch onto justification for anything they do...politics, regilion, money, etc... People can substitute about anything in for justification. It's just a poor means of defering blame from the person who did it onto something larger than them. At the core of all violence if you dig deep enough is an individual with a personal agenda.

 

[Andy44]

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

 

[Piper]

I think it depends on the religion. A religion like Jainism, which calls for complete non-violence, even in defense of oneself, is inherently non-violent. However, when a religion says something along the lines of:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 13:6-10

or

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Qu'ran 9:123

Ultimately, the decision to use violence is an individual one. However, when a religion that uses words like this (even if it isn't taken literally), I think it is unrealistic to say that they aren't inherently violent.

 

[ar81]

Blaming religion for violence is kind of euphemism to say "my religion is good, theirs is evil".

It is some kind of racism, some kind of discrimination. There is an implicit wish to judge others, putting them as inferior to gain selfesteem, as there is a favorable bias towards the group you belong and unfavorable towards others.

Thinking like that shows lack of individual identity, lack of cosmopolitan view and mass behavior.