Poll Which NASA plan does the Orbiter community prefer?

[Ark]

Accusing Bush of rigging NASA to fail just in time for Obama is just as much a load of BS as saying that Obama's "killing NASA" is an inevitable consequence of his evil, socialist ways, and anybody who voted for him should be ashamed of themself now that he's done it, they should have seen it coming.

It would be a silly, irrational belief, if only Bush hadn't run his entire presidency under the philosophy "Screw it, we'll let the next guy deal with all our problems." Two wars, unpaid tax cuts, unpaid prescription drug plans, unpaid space program, and eight years of huge deficits. And what are they doing now? Bleating about the Democrat's spending and deficit.

With you on the Nixon thing, though. I guess he was too busy carrying on with his abuses of power to take space travel seriously.

As I recall, Bush in 2004 was the first president to win more than 50% of the popular vote in years. Which says that the public didn't see him as a total failure yet, whether you believe that voter manipulation in any particular state may have swung the electoral vote or not.

No, they didn't see him as a total failure yet, they were too busy being scared out of their minds by manipulative garbage like this:

Took another couple of years for the lies to come out and people to start ignoring the fear tactics.

Hey, sweet, O-F automatically embeds Youtube links. I didn't know that.

 

[Zachstar]

Without a doubt the new plan makes far more for reality.

The old plan was nothing but a gift to ATK in my opinion. Of course when the SSME diddn't magically get cheaper NASA went for hugely expensive SRB upgrades (5 segment)

Safe,Simple,Soon=BULL!

Now I am not delusional to think this plan will remain. There will be huge compromises. Ares V is toast but you can bet your booty in my opinion that Orion on Delta or Atlas is going to be the cornerstone of 2010 manned US space ops.

 

[Unstung]

Now I am not delusional to think this plan will remain. There will be huge compromises. Ares V is toast but you can bet your booty in my opinion that Orion on Delta or Atlas is going to be the cornerstone of 2010 manned US space ops.

So, you're saying that you think Orion may remain? That seems like a good idea, to get Orion just going to the ISS for a while (And finally get a different way to use it to go to the moon?).
Unfortunately, Orion can't carry anything like the shuttle. It would need a separate rocket and to dock with the cargo (unless a different booster is used). How re-usable is Orion?

 

[Linguofreak]

So, you're saying that you think Orion may remain? That seems like a good idea, to get Orion just going to the ISS for a while (And finally get a different way to use it to go to the moon?).
Unfortunately, Orion can't carry anything like the shuttle. It would need a separate rocket and to dock with the cargo (unless a different booster is used). How re-usable is Orion?

If Orion remains and a new booster is planned, then that won't be so bad.

As far as cargo, if your booster is big enough, you could stack the capsule on top of the cargo, like Apollo did with the LEM.

 

[zerofay32]

How re-usable is Orion?

The hope was for 10 flights for each capsule.

As far as cargo, if your booster is big enough, you could stack the capsule on top of the cargo, like Apollo did with the LEM.

This is why I like the Side Mount SDLV.

 

[Donamy]

Me too.

 

[Ark]

Any idea what the current story is on Orion development in the wake of this? I don't remember who was developing it, Lockheed?

Ares may be toast, but we already know there are other possibilities for launching Orion. My feelings on Constellation as a whole aside, it would be a shame to lose Orion.

 

[Shadow Addict]

Me too.

YouTube- SD HLLV

Oh my god! Has that been released yet?

 

[Ark]

Oh my god! Has that been released yet?

Just use the Shuttle-C, same thing. :lol:

 

[Shadow Addict]

But the sidemount in the video is actually the Constellation one with Orion. With the advent of the DIRECT addon (my personal favorite plan), it'd be nice to have a genuine sidemount addon.

 

[Andy44]

Hey, sweet, O-F automatically embeds Youtube links. I didn't know that.

Makes it a lot harder to Rick Roll people...

And yes, Lockheed Martin currently is developing Orion. For now.

 

[zerofay32]

Looks great Donamy. Hope you plan on releasing that.

 

[Donamy]

Thanks, I still need to work on the Orion. Also, I would love to have someone code it.

 

[JamesG]

As I recall, Bush in 2004 was the first president to win more than 50% of the popular vote in years. Which says that the public didn't see him as a total failure yet, whether you believe that voter manipulation in any particular state may have swung the electoral vote or not.

Americans traditionally back the sitting President during times of war (Lincon, Roosevelt). It takes gross dissatisfaction for a President to loose a majority of popular support (like Johnson would have faced). The problems and lingering nature of the Iraqi occupation hadn't set in yet, neither had an economic collapse occured.

Bush's Space Initiative actually went over like a lead balloon and recieved very little attention from the public, preoccupied with Iraq, the GWoT, and the Media Event o' the Day. It made little impression outside of space advocate circles and the occasional snide editorial cartoon.

 

[Linguofreak]

Exactly. And that is why it doesn't make sense to say that Bush only started his Space Initiative because he knew the Republicans would lose in 2008 and wanted to leave some sort of legacy.

 

[Ark]

Hahaha, that's awesome.

 

[C3PO]

3: Other

Invade Germany, and get a fresh batch of scientists. :rofl:

 

[Kyle]

Me too.

YouTube- SD HLLV

You should release that, even though its unlikely to ever fly it was still a nice concept.

on that note, on Obama's space plan I really honestly doubt anythings set in stone at this point. If Obama really does do what he's about to do and congress agrees (remember, Congress might not agree with Obama on the subject of NASA) then thousands of jobs will be gone, and if I remember correctly Florida has a substantial amount of votes in the electoral college, and if you remember 2000... you'll remember how much Florida might be key.

 

[Urwumpe]

Invade Germany, and get a fresh batch of scientists. :rofl:

I thought the USA have learned that Operation Paperclip was too expensive for them. They thought they conquer some scientists, instead some scientists conquered them...

 

[Orbinaut Pete]

For those interested, this video shows how the SD HLLV could be used for a crewed Lunar mission.