General Question YouTube Videos info

[Izack]

Blixel, if you see no profit from the money your videos make, is that simply making Google some extra money? No loaded question meant, just curious as to the motivation.

Yeah! It's scary how they know about my "Hygiene & Toiletries" and "Apparel" addictions. :shifty: At least they got my gender right, bless 'em...

https://www.google.com/settings/ads/onweb/

I seem to be interested in Android apps (I don't have a smartphone), Shooter Games (I played Half Life I guess) and Parenting (????). Hygiene and Toiletries, too.

 

[RisingFury]

Having big boobs helps too.

That's a narrow minded comment.


She's getting ~3000 views per video with one video per day. That's small time. It's not enough to make it through the month even, unless you're living with your parents.

You need about 20k views daily to make rent, pay the bills and have enough for food, depending on where you live.

While there are lots of people who only click on videos because of boobs, you simply can't make a channel based on that and be successful. Takes hard work to make it, just like anywhere else.

 

[Pablo49]

Blixel, if you see no profit from the money your videos make, is that simply making Google some extra money? No loaded question meant, just curious as to the motivation.

Extension to this question, what is the amount of money you need to earn before you can cash out?

 

[Quick_Nick]

Extension to this question, what is the amount of money you need to earn before you can cash out?

100USD in a given month, if it's the same as AdSense in general.

 

[4throck]

Don't know about specific tax policies, but where I live I'd have some problems justifying that money income. I guess that about 40% would go way in taxes...

I simply don't believe 100% on those income figures or any of the monetization schemes. They seem to work for a few months / years and then simply stop.
Most of the blogs I visited are now integrated into larger specialized websites. That seems to bring more revenue. I guess that video will follow the same path.

This would make sense for us: an official community YT channel channels (nice wording) any income back to the community.

 

[Linguofreak]

It might be a good idea for one of the admins to contact Martin asking him to comment on this thread.

 

[d2k]

Thanks for all the info – I'm also a YT-Orbinaut, recently started but I have hundrets of Orbiter Vids in shedule besides other Simulators Ingame Footage. I try to cover a special interest thing, e.g. showing 360° external views or cockpits, highly stuffed scenarios or third party Add-on showcases. This topic has become important to me since most people don't care of visuals, they play while recording. That's no problem but I want to do something different and maybe therefore some people gonna like my YT-Channel.

I also try to monetize this. AFAIK theres no problem when giving the right credits (Orbiter Space Flight Simulator + Add-on Developers). I've been working as a marketer and some time ago Google said something like this: We, Google, are a commercial company, we make our money with advertisements. If people don't accept that fact were gonna close YouTube! YouTube depends on commercial overlays, anybody who uses Ad-Blockers is working strictly against the YT-Rules. We, Google, want that everybody advertises on YT + we want people to click on such advertisings, in case they are usefull. We, Google, do everything we can to make the advertisements interesting and worth clicking. /edit: Our grand goal is to give every video it's featured advertisement. /

That was a flaming statement, I could research were it was mentioned if you ask me for.

IMO I recommend: Label your YT-Vids, provide a good description, always expect a n00b watching your Vids – that n00b welcomes every piece of info you can give him. Ever clicked a vid showing some kewl Physics/GFX Engine and the uploader didn't name what he was showing? This happens often, unfortunately.

 

[Enjo]

So you basically show mercy to multimillion $ industry but don't respect developers' specific restrictions (if there are such). Orbiter doesn't get anything from these ads, not even you.

Everybody has his own reasons to react in this or that way, and if given enough time to explain, a criminal can be seen as saint (I'm talking about Google).

 

[d2k]

Not really I was just using their point of view to explain how important advertising for YT is. As you said with enough time to explain: I'm totally against commercialization, I've worked for such brands doing their little lies but guess what I changed, I support Open Source now, spread the word!

However I'm good at holding course: YT / Google wants that you advertise your yummi selfmade cacke or your local mini company. Sure the big players promote their stuff over the YT overlays but the longterm goal is that you advertise something instead of mega universal company A or super waste manufacturer B. Remember: Google wants this in that way. Keep in mind: They say if not no more YT.

And if you ask me, I would always ask for a developers permission to show off his stuff but can you imagine how complicated this could be? And on the other side, what more can we do besides mentioning "hey this kewl vid has been powered by X and Y, thanks to X and Y for making this or that". And does it matter if 10 of 100 YT vids take care – isn't it like there are way more "wrong posted vids" than proper ones? I think giving credits is a must and the only way. We did not invent the "share-it-web" just for fun, there must be a chance to share I guess. If I buy a new car, Am I not allowed to make a YT vid out of it since I'm not Daimler Benz or Toyota or such? Serious questions, tricky decisions.

I really know that this topic is not easy to handle that's why "I felt like adding my 'Senf' [Mustard] ...that's a german saying"!
Never mind, please, I'm on your side believe me.

 

[Enjo]

I really know that this topic is not easy to handle that's why "I felt like adding my 'Senf' [Mustard] ...that's a german saying"!
Never mind, please, I'm on your side believe me.

Yeah, like any topic that involves money. In such threads you suddenly realize that the Keynesian / Austrian economist is your neighbor!

 

[jedidia]

Orbiter doesn't get anything from these ads, not even you.

Orbiter gets publicity. AFAIK, it is a regular practice for Indy-studios to pay a famous let's-player to make a let's play of their games, because it's the most cost-effective advertisement you can get for your game nowadays.

I really don't see the problem here. Let's plays are under fair use, and noone looses anything. Sure, you should put the proper credits in, and if an add-on dev explicitly states that he doesn't want his add-on to be used in any such video that should be respected, but I don't know of a single add-on that would have this restriction (and for above mentioned reason it's really not very clever to have that restriction. You're just cutting your own flesh).

Even douchebag companies like EA and Bethesda have recognised that let's plays are a good thing for them.

 

[Enjo]

I really don't see the problem here. Let's plays are under fair use, and noone looses anything.

But somebody makes money on somebody else's work without sharing the income. Enough to get a lawsuit these days. Normally the author has to agree on such promotion, even if it makes perfect sense, like you've described. Don't assume the agreement by default, or risk a lawsuit, forcing you to share your income from ads, and a little bit more

*Disclaimer - since my addons are GPLed, I don't enforce any such restrictions.

 

[Face]

Yeah, like any topic that involves money. In such threads you suddenly realize that the Keynesian / Austrian economist is your neighbor!

And that even without having Austria as your neighbour. :rofl:
Funny how this kind of economics teaching is called "Austrian" in the world, while we call it "Wiener Schule" (School of Vienna) here.

 

[jedidia]

But somebody makes money on somebody else's work without sharing the income.

I'm afraid of the day where Steinberg wants royalties for every song produced in Cubase... :shifty:

 

[Enjo]

I'm not sure if we're still discussing ads for Orbiter videos or ads for YT in general.
My statement is: Advertising on Orbiter vids doesn't make sense, since you'll not produce enough income to get the money back from Google, and you only feed Google (they will be fine. Believe me), still making your videos look less attractive and as if they were really made for profit, even if it's not true. Whatever the truth is, it's not a good way to gain popularity in a free simulator's world.
Lawsuit in Orbiter world most probably won't happen.

As for advertising on YT in general, I'd be very cautious. It's better to get a job than play with fire.

 

[orb]

YouTube depends on commercial overlays, anybody who uses Ad-Blockers is working strictly against the YT-Rules.

Well, I use ad-blockers, but I don't have any Google or YouTube account, and I don't have to accept any rules when watching some random video I've found, so I don't care about that. They can close YouTube right away or restrict all videos only to people with Google accounts if they don't like it. :lol:

 

[C3PO]

Well, I use ad-blockers, but I don't have any Google or YouTube account, and I don't have to accept any rules when watching some random video I've found, so I don't care about that. They can close YouTube right away or restrict all videos only to people with Google accounts if they don't like it. :lol:

That's how I deal with facebook. If I have to join to watch it, then I just don't.

 

[d2k]

Common guys, seriously, closing YouTube? Oh, please! YouTube is fun, it's entertainment, it's education, it's a lot more than words could say. *yay now pay me for that quote @Google

I think you might over reacted on that or at least if I could not see any YT Vids, no matter if monetized or not ...well let me say it like this: I learned tonns watching YT!

BTW: I would never judge anybody using Ad-Blockers, no problem. :hello:

Salute!

/edit: Please let me add another thing Jedidia put into action >Publicity< Now let me ask, is there anything more Orbiter should ask for? Yes, more users = more donators!
There are lots of great Open Source Simulators (I run a little blog about them). Those "indie" projects lack on community because everybody is "NextGen = Casual". We all could do more to promote Orbiter, every Vid, every textual content, everything counts! If you ask me, I don't care if the vid poster activated monetizing – I could skip the add (well sometimes not really) or use a Ad-Blocker. But how about this: The adds can be things like your local pizza delivery, yeah you see it's perfect, you watch a nice Orbiter vid and Google takes care of your appetite, cute isn't it? See the longterm when you think about the whole – Yep monetization thing. YT made it possible to active the money part without you even having viewers on your channel. Now guess three times what 90% of YT vid posters will click in their vids config – Yep monetization.
I don't even see vids without ads I wonder since YT made this zerro click monetization thing everybody does it (90% kinda). I agree with you Enjo, no good start in an open source community, no good thing to do. But this topic needs a bunch of understanding or I will end-up beeing the number one to hate. Remember, same side!

 

[4throck]

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My statement is: Advertising on Orbiter vids doesn't make sense, since you'll not produce enough income to get the money back from Google, and you only feed Google (they will be fine. Believe me), still making your videos look less attractive and as if they were really made for profit, even if it's not true. ....

100% agree.
I respect all opinions here, but I think some of them are superficial.
Who cares if you use adblockers... the public YT is after is on mobile devices, and those use the YT app, so they will have the ads built in.

As I mentioned before, all this will work for a few months, and then some changes will be introduced. Then you can say goodbye to your well established "business".
I know. They did it with the Google Earth models. They simply shut down that option the moment small businesses started to appear based upon that. Also did the same with many APIs and products.
And do it all the time with Android. My Android 2.1 phone can't run the Facebook app, it's too old, but oddly enough, it can access it OK using the browser!

So if YT or any other service works for you now, just use it, but be warned that you will need to change to something more stable in the near future.

This applies to Orbiter videos. If in the near future videos migrate from YT to dedicated gaming/simulation sites, that will be good. Because comments and articles will be much more interesting and in depth, just like it happens with MS FlightSim.

 

[Face]

Please let me add another thing Jedidia put into action >Publicity< Now let me ask, is there anything more Orbiter should ask for? Yes, more users = more donators!

I'd rather say that more publicity equals more users equals more developers. This is what the Orbiter community really needs: donations in the form of work, not money.

Be it a designer, coder, tutorial maker or other contributor of content, the community needs those people more than it needs "customers" who wish for things and open the wallet to make it happen IMHO.

Now this is not to say that we have to worship the former and mistreat the later, because extremes are never a good thing. It is just an expression of my personal priorities.

Our blixel here clearly falls into both categories, and these people are most admired, especially if they additionally show a level-headed and fair behavior on the forums.