An "Overunity" Electric Motor From Ireland? - Steorn's E-Orbo.

[Eccentrus]

Hoax, I would go kill myself by jumping from an unstable orbit if this is true.

 

[T.Neo]

Indeed.

If this is real, I will eat my hat.

And invest in the company.

 

[JamesG]

Hoax, I would go kill myself by jumping from an unstable orbit if this is true.

Like the top of a building?

Yeah, their little "prototype" could hide all sorts of flim-flam, and ossiliscope can be made to show any kind of pattern.

 

[Eccentrus]

Like the top of a building?

Yeah, their little "prototype" could hide all sorts of flim-flam, and ossiliscope can be made to show any kind of pattern.

no like, jumping from the Shuttle before reentry, that hard!

 

[Andy44]

The only doubt in my mind is whether Steorn are perpetuating a genuine hoax or whether they are genuinely deluded.

The old "stupid or evil" trope. Anytime someone does or says something wrong, they are either being stupid or evil.

Stupid being a broad term that includes but is not limited to delusions, mental problems, low IQ, unclear thinking due to fatigue or any other reason, and mental handicap. It is not necessarily an insult, nor is it permanent.

Evil also being a broad term encompassing any willful attempt to deceive or withold information, or to do some harm or betray trust to gain advantage, etc., even if the person doing it thinks he's doing it for the right reasons. It therefore includes bad judgement or a misled morality, as well as greed and avarice. Also not necessarily an insult nor permanent.

Hoaxers usually fall squarely into the "evil" category, unless they truly believe their own hype, in which case the former category applies.

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Let me add that "evil" also includes people who try to promote something by posing as a disinterested third party and spreading the word.

 

[Notebook]

I think they should be developing something useful:

http://www.pcbmotor.com/default.aspx?CMSID=125

I'd pay good money for a rotating remotely controlled beer-mat.

N.

 

[tblaxland]

I'd pay good money for a rotating remotely controlled beer-mat.

:lol: How many beers until you can no longer centre the beer glass?

 

[Notebook]

Thats the sort of thing, how many tricks could you play with that on some one?

Clever idea, only draw-back I can see is it needs 200V via driver transformers for the piezo elements. Not a big problem, just a bit of expense.

N.

 

[antimatter]

Steorn has posted two more videos.

They claim these videos prove the E-Orbo is overunity.

Steorn Orbo - Proving Overunity 1/2

Steorn Orbo - Proving Overunity 2/2

What do you think?

 

[Hielor]

Steorn has posted two more videos.

They claim these videos prove the E-Orbo is overunity.

Steorn Orbo - Proving Overunity 1/2

What do you think?

It's junk.

 

[JamesG]

videos on the internet prove nothing.

 

[Linguofreak]

So you've actually built the device they showed? You got no output for any input at all? Can you take pictures and post them?

I'm a little fuzzy as to why people keep claiming you can break the second law of thermodynamics. I'd make the pun about expending energy elsewhere, but it looks like it's already been done! :lol:

Actually, the law in question here is the first.

 

[Dambuster]

This is off their website. Can someone translate for me? Assuming what it says makes sense, is it even possible, even theoretically?

Orbo is based upon time variant magnetic interactions, i.e. magnetic interactions whose efficiency varies as a function of transaction timeframes.
It is this variation of energy exchanged as a function of transaction time frame that lies at the heart of Orbo technology, and its ability to contravene the principle of the conservation of energy. Why? Conservation of energy requires that the total energy exchanged using interactions are invariant in time. This principle of time invariance is enshrined in Noether’s Theorem.
The time variant nature of Orbo interactions can be engineered using two basic techniques. The first technique utilizes a method of controlling the response time of magnetic materials to make them time variant. This is achieved by controlling the MH position of materials during permanent magnetic interactions.
The second technique decouples the Counter Electromotive Force (CEMF) from torque for electromagnetic interactions. This decoupling of CEMF allows time variant magnetic interactions in electromagnetic systems.

 

[RisingFury]

What the f...?! This is almost as bad as the crap Magniwork put in their PDF.

 

[JamesG]

This is off their website. Can someone translate for me?

If I am up on my handwavese, their electro-magnets are timed and controlled by the optical light sensor wheel on the shaft to cut off just as the rotor magnets pass them, supposedly minimizing the magnetic drag and generating a net positive current. Or at least keeps it moving until the battery which powers it runs down...

 

[Linguofreak]

This is off their website. Can someone translate for me? Assuming what it says makes sense, is it even possible, even theoretically?

I can translate a few individual terms if you want. There are a number of valid scientific terms in there.

But the way they're put together doesn't make sense. One sentence isn't even parseable English.

"Noether's Theorem" states that if the laws of physics acting on a system don't change with regards to moving the system in a certain way, then there is an associated conservation law:

If rotating a system doesn't change the way the laws of physics act on it, then angular momentum is conserved. (If imparting a force of 1N to a 1 kg object for one second gives it a speed of 1 m/s no matter what direction I push it in, angular momentum is conserved. If imparting a force of 1N to a 1 kg object for one second gives it a speed of 1 m/s if I push it north, but only .5 m/s if I push it east, then angular momentum is not conserved).

If moving a system doesn't change the way the laws of physics act on it, then momentum is conserved. If the electromagnetic force between a proton and an electron, the gravitational constant, the amount of force necessary to give a 1kg object a velocity of 1 m/s, etc, is the same wherever I am, then momentum is conserved. If not, momentum is not conserved.

If moving a system in time doesn't change how the laws of physics affect it, then energy is conserved. If the speed of light, the fine structure constant, or what have you, is constant with time, then energy is conserved. If not, energy is not conserved.

So basically what they're claiming to have done is figured out a way to make the laws of physics within their motor change with time, so that energy isn't conserved, so that they can get free energy.

BS.

 

[Andy44]

Well, maybe it'll work if you reverse the polarity of the tachyon beam flow and route the power through the dilithium matrix.

 

[Zachstar]

I have to hand it to them that they are trying far harder than many other so called "overunity" machines.

However It seems like their only major goal with this is to make money. And that sends up many red flags. Normally if one was serious about this would they not try to make every last scrap public to "Save the world" and "Protect from the Oil Companies" ?

Its like that Blacklight stuff. You know all this backroom deal crap inst going to help the average Joe one bit.

Let just assume this "Overunity" stuff exists for a moment. The only way any of this is going to matter is if someone can run down the radio shack grab a few items for low cost and be able to charge a laptop quickly from the starting current of a couple of batteries or a solar cell. If we cant do that.. Its pointless even if it does work a few companies will just use it for some random industrial thing and it wont do anything to solve today's energy issues.

I just don't see it as anything of a priority for interest. Much bigger advancements for energy in my opinion are in the inverter field. Where tech looks to be able to cut the costs of home solar and wind inverters to a tenth. Which will greatly affect things as opposed to this.

 

[RisingFury]

One of the things that the guy mentions in this video:

is that the L (inductance of the coil) is lower when you fill it and higher when you discharge it.

For those not familiar with coils, the energy stored in a coil is
W = 1/2 * L * I^2, where L is inductance and I is the current flowing through it.

Now, there's nothing in the laws of physics that prevent you from creating a variable inducatnce coil - you can slide a feromagnetic core in and out, you can wind and unwind the coil, you can have a variable coil, kinda like a variable resistor, where moving a slider would allow you to route the current through more or less loops of the coil...

But one thing you have to take into account is that if you increase the inductance, you'll lower the current and there is where they might be masking it...

Let's assume for the moment that they're not using any tricks through the osciloscopes and that they actually have a variable inductance coil. The way to mask the changes on the osciloscope, would be to change the coil thrugh the pulse, so that while it's still being powered by the source, the coil is being charged more and more, but at a slow enough pace to mask the change.


Another thing that stinks a lot here is the use of toroidal coil... Toroidal coils are pretty useful if you wanna store magnetic energy, but they confine most of the magnetic field inside the toroid. Outside of the toroid, there is barelly any magnetic field, because the coil itself cancels it out.


They're also using additional batteries, but it's hard to tell the circuit from the vids.

 

[Zachstar]

No need to even use the advanced math on me. They have not shown enough evidence in my opinion to be worth investing in if I had the funds to invest in.

And again even if its remotely true chances are we will never see it and no not because of some oil company or even if it is the oil company it is because they paid him a huge sum and of course they always seem to care more about the millions in their bank account than say a child in Africa that would love to be able to read at night.

The tech seems destined for industry at best. And that is just silly in my opinion. Every one of these folks tries to draw these techs as some world changing tech yet we almost never see it outside the lab.