Anti-homosexual movement in Uganda

[jinglesassy]

I accept homosexual/gay/whatever you call them because i live in a free country and its just a part of freedom from the government we still aren't in a 100% free country but if you look at the women rights movement is this all that different?

 

[Gothmog]

Uganda has the right to have its culture. There are places where gays may live as they want. Imposing a culture on Ugandans would be invasive, gays belong to a different culture. Ugandans should be free to have their culture.

So gayness is a nationality? And gay Ugandans can live where they want? Sure. Even getting a tourist visa to the U.S., for example, is nearly impossible if you live in a poor country, for American authorities' fear the visitor might overstay.

You know, the Taliban had their culture too when they ran Afghanistan and denied all women their civil rights and professional privileges. I've never been able to understand how the whole world was able to sit on its hands with this going on, until 9/11.

 

[RisingFury]

It even has to be acceptable. However, I have to disagree in terms of normal/natural. If it would be normal, i.e. the norm, it would apply to ja majority of humans which is not the case. Also, if it would be natural: what would happen to our species if any single human would become homosexual? It's the same with asexuality, which applies to me (and to approximately 1% to 10% of the population). I consider those sexual orientations to be exceptional because it does not apply to the majority of our species and also does contradict our reproduction.

1.) Not every person on Earth will turn homosexual. Even if there were no objections by anyone, no discrimination, no intimidation and no legal problems, you wouldn't have to worry about the survival of human kind.

2.) It is natural... two examples I can think off the top of my head: Dolphins penetrate each others blow holes and about one third of female seagulls maintain same sex relationship. They sneak out to get some male action, but they raise the young together with their same sex partner...


But won't really stop you from trying to strip other people of their rights...

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Uganda has the right to have its culture. There are places where gays may live as they want. Imposing a culture on Ugandans would be invasive, gays belong to a different culture. Ugandans should be free to have their culture.

Yea! And if you're gay, you can get the hell out! :thumbup:

 

[eveningsky339]

Biggotry exists. It always has and perhaps it always will. Racism, religious persecution, the list could go on and on...

 

[Unstung]

Uganda has the right to have its culture. There are places where gays may live as they want. Imposing a culture on Ugandans would be invasive, gays belong to a different culture. Ugandans should be free to have their culture.

Christianity is not a part of the native Ugandan culture, it was brought in by white missionaries in the late 19th century.

 

[River Crab]

Either this is waaay OT, or you are making the assumption that homosexual men 'hate' women? Or perhaps I'm just misinterpreting the statement, if so I apologise.

She's an open lesbian. And an agreeable one at that. :thumbup:

My own views on homosexuality are plain and simple, it's normal, natural, and acceptable, as in any relationship, provided there is love, need anyone interfere?
My own sexual preference? Thats pretty irrelevant, I am also human, I live, I love, and my partner is also a wonderful loving human.

Agreed. Certainly none of these enraged protesters actually KNOW any homosexuals? I think they're just protesting in blind following.

I'm actually working on what I consider to be "true" nose art (in this case, fairing art). If you don't believe me, refer to the Orbiter Screenshot Thread. But this is off-topic. What is on topic is another example life of accemptance. Some people accept homosexuals the way they are. Others hate them...And some of you said this whole situation is due to lack of modernization in some of these countries that have cultures similar to Uganda...

Wait really? So, HAIL PROBE, and smite the haters? I think it's really a case of seeing for yourself and deciding what to believe, rather than going with the flow. I think it's a smegging witch hunt. But yeah, better telecommunication might aid better human communication. Also I'm kind of doing some nose art. "Spacecraft Personifications" thread, actually.
Keep 'em flying!

I accept homosexual/gay/whatever you call them because i live in a free country and its just a part of freedom from the government we still aren't in a 100% free country but if you look at the women rights movement is this all that different?

What about the gay rights movement? That's pretty similar if you ask me.:lol:
I don't want to assert the "American way" on other countries, but personally I think the Gay rights movement in Washington D.C. is how things should be done.

 

[Izack]

I don't want to assert the "American way" on other countries, but personally I think the Gay rights movement in Washington D.C. is how things should be done.

Agreed. That was an excellent use the American freedom of speech.

Of course, it sort of backfired when Canada tried it. Now it's become just another meaningless political hot-topic.

 

[jinglesassy]

What about the gay rights movement? That's pretty similar if you ask me.:lol:
I don't want to assert the "American way" on other countries, but personally I think the Gay rights movement in Washington D.C. is how things should be done.

Yeah i was comparing the gay rights movement to the women rights movement

 

[Zeehond]

Some of my family members are even homosexual. I'm not proud of the choice they made, but I will still love them no matter what.

Are you sure homosexuality is a choice?

 

[AirSimming]

1.) Not every person on Earth will turn homosexual. Even if there were no objections by anyone, no discrimination, no intimidation and no legal problems, you wouldn't have to worry about the survival of human kind.

My question was what would happen to our species if any single human would become homosexual. Although it is a fictive scenario, we all know the answer.

2.) It is natural... two examples I can think off the top of my head: Dolphins penetrate each others blow holes and about one third of female seagulls maintain same sex relationship. They sneak out to get some male action, but they raise the young together with their same sex partner...

Humans are not dolphins or seagulls (while not each dolphin, seagull, monkey species etc. shows homosexual behaviour). Homosexuality is applicable to a minority of humans. It is a side issue like asexuality.

 

[Ghostrider]

Either this is waaay OT, or you are making the assumption that homosexual men 'hate' women? Or perhaps I'm just misinterpreting the statement, if so I apologise.

Yes, you are misinterpreting because Portia De Rossi is openly gay (she's Ellen De Generes' partner) and nobody in their right mind could hate her.

Besides, I couldn't not jump at the chance of putting a wallpaper size pic of Portia on the forum.

AFAIK, homosexual men do not hate women as a rule. Some do, and some homosexual women hate men. Some heterosexual men hate gay men and some heterosexual women hate lesbians. Bigotry happens to be, alas, universal.

 

[bujin]

My question was what would happen to our species if any single human would become homosexual. Although it is a fictive scenario, we all know the answer.

I can't help but think this is a language barrier thing (not having a go at your English skills there, just trying to make sense of the post!). If you literally mean what would happen to our species if any single human became homosexual then you just have to look around as there are already many homosexuals out there - and the species is surviving just fine.

If, as I suspect, you mean every single human became homosexual, then you'd probably find the species would take a sharp decline. But that isn't going to happen. It doesn't make it any less of a natural occurrence, though.

Humans are not dolphins or seagulls (while not each dolphin, seagull, monkey species etc. shows homosexual behaviour). Homosexuality is applicable to a minority of humans. It is a side issue like asexuality.

Humans are not dolphins or seagulls, but we're still part of the animal kingdom, and what is natural for them is also natural for us.

I don't understand what it is people find so reprehensible about homosexuals. Why does it bother them what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own home?

Of course, it has to be said, the deep hatred of homosexuality almost always stems from the religious. For example, Leviticus tells us that Homosexuals are an abomination. Of course, Leviticus also tells us that people who swear or blaspheme should be stoned to death. It tells us that kids who swear at their parents should be put to death. It tells us that adulterers should be executed. Funny that they can accept one thing a book tells them but ignore the rest, isn't it?

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Yes, you are misinterpreting because Portia De Rossi is openly gay (she's Ellen De Generes' partner) and nobody in their right mind could hate her.

Besides, I couldn't not jump at the chance of putting a wallpaper size pic of Portia on the forum.

And to go along with that, your sig says it all... :thumbup:

 

[Urwumpe]

Leviticus is one of those parts of the bible that are so deeply countering what is considered Christian values, that it is really a miracle that the book doesn't catch fire instantly...


Was it Leviticus or the book of laws, which defined how you should treat raped women and how to (not) punish the men who raped them?

There is a great deal of fun inside it.

 

[Sar]

Big part of that speech seemed to be that poop eating. Help me out here, exactly where in the bible it says anything bad about that? "And Moses came down from the lavatory and told his followers that God hath appeared to him and told him "Thou shalt not eat da poopoo""

I don't have anything against homosexuals I happen to know few who are and one of them is actually my sister.

Agreeing to Bujin, Christianity is quite good at taking all that it wants from bible and discarding the rest of it, that's one of the reason I run off that boat when I had the chance, but in case there ever is going to be a strict fundamental sect in the church I have a business plan as a rock salesman.

Didn't find poop eating, but I did find out that you aren't allowed to cut yourself while mourning a loss of someone, or shave your forehead.

 

[Ghostrider]

"And Moses came down from the lavatory and told his followers that God hath appeared to him and told him "Thou shalt not eat da poopoo""

Now that sounds a lot like something out of South Park...

 

[AirSimming]

Humans are not dolphins or seagulls, but we're still part of the animal kingdom, and what is natural for them is also natural for us.

Not entirely. That's why there are different species, because there are significant differences.

I don't understand what it is people find so reprehensible about homosexuals.

It might be disgusting to some people, like sex on the whole even is disgusting to some people. But I think it is basically due to the fact that homosexuality is a side issue. Asexuals also are considered to be abnormal/sick by a lot of people.

Why does it bother them what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own home?

I'm personally not at all interested in the privacy of other people. As long as there is no gay couple next to me, putting their tongues into the mouth of each other, I don't care. If it happens on TV I have the choice to switch the program. If it happens next to me, I feel somehow annoyed. The same applies to heterosexual couples doing so by the way.

Of course, it has to be said, the deep hatred of homosexuality almost always stems from the religious.

While I personally don't hate homosexuality deeply, but it is disgusting to me (when I think about it or if I'd have to watch it), I consider myself being an agnostic. I've never heard of Leviticus and never read the bible by the way.

 

[Urwumpe]

Not entirely. That's why there are different species, because there are significant differences.

Well, then lets limit this to mammals - there is practically no mammal species that was not observed having individuals that practiced homosexual behavior and other non-standard sexual practices.

Of course, there is also a lot of non-sexual behavior that gets turned into sexual behavior by scientists. And a lot of sexual behavior, that is not instantly visible as such.

Even by saying that humans are not like all the other mammals, we have a long history of sexuality that has already tested all extremes.

 

[Ghostrider]

I've never heard of Leviticus and never read the bible by the way.

A pity. The Song of Songs is some of the best stock pillow talk ever.

 

[RisingFury]

Humans are not dolphins or seagulls (while not each dolphin, seagull, monkey species etc. shows homosexual behaviour). Homosexuality is applicable to a minority of humans. It is a side issue like asexuality.

The behavior is natural and not a choice. But regardless of it's origin, gays deserve equal rights and should be equal under law. EVERYONE should be, regardless of their skin color, nationality, origin, sex and sexual orientation, disabilities or anything else you can think of.


What the hell makes gays so much less human then you are?

 

[AirSimming]

What the hell makes gays so much less human then you are?

You should ask people which say that homosexuals are less human