Request Any SLS and Orion MPCV in development?

Hello John,I just tried to test out your addon and I am getting a CTD,here are the errors in the orbiter log.
Code: 
*** Orbiter.log
Build Aug 30 2010 [v.100830]
Timer precision: 4.46215e-007 sec
Found 0 joystick(s)
Devices enumerated: 6
Devices accepted: 5
==> RGB Emulation
==> Direct3D HAL
==> Direct3D T&L HAL
==> Direct3D HAL (Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000)
==> Direct3D T&L HAL (Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000)
Module AtlantisConfig.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module AtmConfig.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module DGConfigurator.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module EnergyConfigurator.dll  [Build ******, API 060425]
Module ScnEditor.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module FlightDataPlus.dll .... [Build 111210, API 100830]
Module FlightData.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module ExtMFD.dll ............ [Build 140302, API 100830]
Module OrbiterSound.dll ...... [Build 121120, API 100830]
Module UMMUFA.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module ScriptMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module LuaConsole.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module CustomMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module LuaMFD.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module HUDDrawer.dll ......... [Build 130423, API 100830]
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiRegisterMFDMode
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Module Framerate.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module WatchdogMFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module videnie.dll ........... [Build 110912, API 100830]
Module VesselParametersMFD.dll  [Build ******, API 060425]
Module vel_hud.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module uap.dll ............... [Build 110613, API 100830]
Module ThrustControlMFD.dll .. [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Themis_MFD.dll ........ [Build 130317, API 100830]
Module StatusMFD.dll ......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module SpaceNetwork.dll ...... [Build 130801, API 100830]
Module SensorMFD.dll ......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module ScreenCapture.dll ..... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module RWarpMFD.dll .......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module RV_Orientation.dll .... [Build 131103, API 100830]
Module RendezvousMFD.dll ..... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module ReleaseMFD-Mouse.dll .. [Build ******, API 060425]
Module ReFuelMFD.dll ......... [Build 110222, API 100830]
Module Rcontrol.dll .......... [Build 100816, API 100606]
Module PursuitMFD.dll ........ [Build 121104, API 100830]
Module PrecessionMFD.dll ..... [Build 110904, API 100830]
190 stars read into catalogue
No SPK bodies loaded at this time.
Module orbSonicBoom.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module orbReentry.dll ........ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module NotesMFD.dll .......... [Build 110111, API 100830]
Module NoseWheelTurn.dll ..... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module NAVSET.dll ............ [Build 100724, API 100606]
Module MapMFD.dll ............ [Build ******, API 050206]
Module LunarTransferMFD.dll .. [Build 100621, API 100603]
Module LTV-MFD.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module LolaMFD.dll ........... [Build 120403, API 100830]
Module Load.dll .............. [Build 110920, API 100830]
Module Lagrange.dll .......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module InterMFD55.dll ........ [Build 100826, API 100704]
Module HUDdataMFD.dll ........ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module HerschelPlanckMFD.dll . [Build ******, API 060425]
Module HCLV_MFD.dll .......... [Build 130722, API 100830]
Module GS2.dll ............... [Build 131201, API 100830]
Module GPCMFD.dll ............ [Build 100621, API 100606]
Module GlassCockpit.dll ...... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module GeostationaryMFD.dll .. [Build 140214, API 100830]
GeostationaryMFD: Configuration file FOUND. SetMapWidth is 256
Module FuelQuantityMFD.dll ... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module EnergyMFDmk2.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module DVToolsMFD.dll ........ [Build 120331, API 100830]
Module dock_port_show.dll .... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module displacement.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module CSSC_Spawner.dll ...... [Build 120331, API 100830]
Module ChecklistMFD.dll ...... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module CamShake.dll .......... [Build 100811, API 100606]
Module CameraMFD.dll [API v.060425]
Module CamControl.dll ........ [Build ******, API 050206]
Module CalculationMFD.dll .... [Build 111017, API 100830]
Module BurnTimeMFD.dll ....... [Build 140205, API 100830]
Module BaseSyncMFD.dll ....... [Build 100616, API 100603]
Module AutoTrimMFD.dll ....... [Build 100607, API 100524]
Module AutoHoverMFD.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module AttitudeMFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module AeroBrakeMFD.dll ...... [Build ******, API 100830]
Module ActiveScannerMFD.dll .. [Build 140221, API 100830]
Module AbsoluteKillrot.dll ... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module TransX2.dll ........... [Build 140503, API 100830]
Module TransX.dll ............ [Build 140503, API 100830]
Module Surface Speed MFD.dll . [Build 140112, API 100830]
Module LaunchMFD.dll ......... [Build 140111, API 100830]
Module JumpDriveMFD.dll ...... [Build 140520, API 100830]
Module HoverMFD.dll .......... [Build 140614, API 100830]
Module DisableDebugString.dll  [Build 101229, API 101016]
Module orbHoverDust.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Attachment Manager.dll  [Build ******, API 060425]

**** Creating simulation session
DirectDraw interface OK
Direct3D interface OK
Graphics: Viewport: Fullscreen 1920 x 1080 x 32
Graphics: Hardware T&L capability: Yes
Graphics: Z-buffer depth: 32 bit
Graphics: Active lights supported: 8
Loading 15382 records from star database
Module Sun.dll ............... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554/6634
Module Mercury.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167/7123
Module Venus.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module VenusAtm2006.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79/1710
Module Earth.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module EarthAtmJ71G.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564/2564
Module Moon.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
ELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116/829
Module Mars.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module MarsAtm2006.dll ....... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405/6400
Module Phobos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Deimos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Galsat.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Jupiter.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624/3625
Module Io.dll ................ [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Europa.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Ganymede.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Callisto.dll .......... [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Satsat.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]
Module Saturn.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904/6365
Module Mimas.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Mimas: Terms 113
Module Enceladus.dll ......... [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33
Module Tethys.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Tethys: Terms 101
Module Dione.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Dione: Terms 59
Module Rhea.dll .............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Rhea: Terms 68
Module Titan.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Titan: Terms 100
Module Iapetus.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605
Module Uranus.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827/5269
Module Miranda.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Ariel.dll ............. [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Umbriel.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Titania.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Oberon.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Neptune.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391/2024
Finished initialising world
Module SLSTOWER.dll .......... [Build 141001, API 100830]
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetBankMomentScale
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\SLSBOOSTER4A.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\SLSBOOSTER4A.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\SLSBOOSTER4B.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\SLSBOOSTER4B.msh
Finished initialising status
Finished initialising camera
Finished initialising panels
Finished setting up render state
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh
Module Train.dll ............. [Build 120629, API 100830]
Module XR5Crane.dll .......... [Build 120519, API 100830]
Module ThemLPad.dll .......... [Build 120519, API 100830]
Module RadarDish.dll ......... [Build 120519, API 100830]
Module BigPad.dll ............ [Build 120519, API 100830]
 
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Thanks. I think they maybe in the meshes/velcro

In the images of the mars pass by what is that module below the orion?
 
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That module is the habitat. Orion can't sustain a crew on any Mars mission by itself.
 
I didn't know that, I speak some japanese but I can't think of a profanity this sounds like, apart from maybe busu, which means ugly woman and is quite insulting to say.

And Gatt, the EUS is the same thing, they did just rename it. Like the Delta upper stage is being called the interim upper stage. And I like that orion/altair configuration. No abort tower though. Oh well, MOON OR DIE TRYING! :lol:

---------- Post added at 02:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:40 PM ----------
gattispilot said:
In the images of the mars pass by what is that module below the orion?
Click to expand...

It looked to me like a variant of the 500 day habitation module.

ISS-Derived_Deep_Space_Habitat_with_CPS.jpg


ISS-Derived_Deep_Space_Habitat.jpg


The Orion itself can sustain a crew of 4 for 20 days, it will absolutely require these modules for any mission longer than lunar.
 
Well we have Orion and Altair lander. So I guess we need a habitat module. I am making that EUS vessel. Going to redo the tower animations. But I haven't gotten the 2nd stage version to fly correctly yet.
 
I'm wondering though, given the size and space constraints maybe the single engine delta stage would work and give enough room to put the stack under the abort tower.

I'm also wondering if the EUS is strong enough to push something like the Skylab 2 to Mars. You could get more than 500 days out of that.
 
On the space a new larger cargo area could be made.

On the Habitat module. One could make a Cylinder with 2 docks. I would n't do an interior.

Wouldn't be hard just need to know the size. Then you could attach the Orion solar panels to it.
 
Here are a couple articles I've found so far, problem is none of them give any real specs.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/03/dsh-module-concepts-outlined-beo-exploration/

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/04/captured-asteroid-mission-redefining-em-2-challenge/

It looks to me as if part of the hab module, the propulsion and one of the modules, will be launched on a cargo and the Orion launch would bring up the second module and the access tunnel for the two and assemble it all on orbit. That is....if I'm reading this article right, it didn't seem clear but it does appear to me that the vehicle is in two major sections. It also said a 60 day hab has a 21 day contingency reserve and the 500 day would have a 60 day contingency. The proposed 2021 flyby could be done in a 500 day hab with a little extra to spare. No stopping at Mars though.
 
Sounds good. I saw the flexcraft in one sketch. From the Orion One could calculate the size. Didn't see a difference between the 60 and 500.
 
There isn't any other than the duration, they appear about the same size. I know the 500 day is supposed to have a more advanced environmental control than the ones currently on ISS. It seems to me that's the only real difference between the two.
 
Is there one on the ISS for Orbiter. Where one could just add it into the cargo area.

There seems to be 3 vessels. Hab, Tunnel, MPLM. It looks like on the tunnel are some solar arrays?
 
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I think the hab section attached to the stage is one part, the hab with the tunnel is another that looks like it goes up with the Orion. The one diagram kind of shows this idea, but it's really small to read the captions.

Are you talking about the stock orbiter ISS or the thorton download? I know Atlantis has a module in its cargo area you're supposed to add to the station, I didn't know if you could remove any of the attached modules.
 
RonDVouz said:
Are you talking about the stock orbiter ISS or the thorton download? I know Atlantis has a module in its cargo area you're supposed to add to the station, I didn't know if you could remove any of the attached modules.
Click to expand...

I would be easier than to make a whole module. If they are vessels they should be able to be added.
 
Well, there's definitely one in Atlantis.

Let's steal it! :lol:
 
Well I need to get the 2nd stage part to get her up.

Not sure how many payloads Velcro allow.
 
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I think I found the problem with the upper stage, and it's so obvious that I'm disappointed I did not see it last night:facepalm:.

Anyway, speaking of things to borrow for habits, either Piper's [ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3619"]MPLM's[/ame] or the [ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=2857"]Space Station modules[/ame](also by Piper) would work for a hab like shown on the illustrations, and you can spoil yourself for choice since the station pack has quite a few to choose from. Hlynkacg's [ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5247"]Transhab[/ame] is a option beside the ISS-like modules, and while Transhab isn't a NASA project anymore, it is a plausible enough alternative.
 
RonDVouz said:
I didn't know that, I speak some japanese but I can't think of a profanity this sounds like, apart from maybe busu, which means ugly woman and is quite insulting to say.

And Gatt, the EUS is the same thing, they did just rename it. Like the Delta upper stage is being called the interim upper stage. And I like that orion/altair configuration. No abort tower though. Oh well, MOON OR DIE TRYING! :lol:

---------- Post added at 02:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:40 PM ----------



It looked to me like a variant of the 500 day habitation module.


ISS-Derived_Deep_Space_Habitat_with_CPS.jpg


ISS-Derived_Deep_Space_Habitat.jpg


The Orion itself can sustain a crew of 4 for 20 days, it will absolutely require these modules for any mission longer than lunar.
Click to expand...

Sorry, this is a little late, but I tried something like this. I used Pappys Hangar's Neeseys module, CTV-Lunar (representing the Orion SM derived), and wishbone's [ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5215"]NTR[/ame]. I used Universal Cargo Deck to hold them together. Two problems. Neeseys is to small to actually support Orion for the trip to and from Mars, and the NTR can't even get the CTV-Lunar and Neeseys (remind you, SMALLER that a real habbitat and Orion) out of earth orbit! If there was a way to get it there, that would be cool, but I have tried to simulate it, and I have been at a loss. Anybody have any ideas? :shrug:
 
This is what my EUS looks like:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71242599/EUS.jpg

I get a CTD when it separates. nothing in the log though.

BEGIN_SHIPS
sls-Stage2:Velcro/slsstage2
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6745292 28.5191812
HEADING 0.00
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
CONFIGURATION 0
PRIMEBOOSTER 1
CENTERTHRUST 0
IGNITENEXT 0
PADBIAS 1.000000
CAMERA 0.000000 0.000000 40.000000
FAIRING 2 1.00 0.00 1.00 0.00
TGT_HEADING 95.000000
END
slsCORE:Velcro\SLSCore2
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6745292 28.5191812
HEADING 0.00
ATTACHED 2:0,slstower
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
CONFIGURATION 0
PRIMEBOOSTER 1
CENTERTHRUST 0
PADBIAS 1.000000
TGT_HEADING 95.000000
SERIESBURN 0 sls-Stage2 0.0000 0.0000 0.7878 0.0000 0.0000 -1.0000 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000
PAYLOAD Fair1 slsinterstage slsinterstage 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 0.00
END

---------- Post added at 09:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:32 AM ----------

Getting closer to a stage 2 launch. Not sure when things are to happen?
After launch when should the interstage seperate and the 2nd stage separate? Should the fairing on the upper stage still be there or dettached when the 2nd stage separates?

On the EUS. From the specs not sure what they should be for Orbiter.
 
I think the interstage stays attached to the core stage, there aren't any solid rockets on it that are shown in the Constellation video, so it doesn't separate along with the EUS.

Fairing separation, I think, is really up to you, though I think that the deciding factor should be when the stack clears the (lower) atmosphere.
 
Ok. I have the interstage seperate and then the upper fairing a little later.

But when the 2nd stage separates it disappears. I can switch to the lander and see the mesh and the 2nd stage has no fuel/thrust.

Code: 
BEGIN_SHIPS
sls-Stage2:Velcro\slsstage2
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -80.6745292 28.5191812
  HEADING 0.00
  TGT_HEADING 095.0
  FUEL 1.000
  IGNITENEXT 0
  CONFIGURATION 0
  CAMERA 0 0 40.0 
  PAYATCH ALTAIRLANDER 0 -79 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1
 Fairing 2 .1 0.0 1.0 0.0
;  SERIESBURN 0 Delta-Stg3 0.0 0.0 -0.5  0.0 1.0 0.0 
  PAYLOAD Fair1 Velcro/slsupperfairing1 Velcro/slsupperfairing1 0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 1.0
  PAYLOAD Fair2 Velcro/slsupperfairing2 Velcro/slsupperfairing2 0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 1.0
END
slsCORE:Velcro\SLSCore2
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -80.6745292 28.5191812
  HEADING 0.00
  ATTACHED 2:0,slstower
  TGT_HEADING 095.0
  FUEL 1.000
  CONFIGURATION 0
  CAMERA 0 0 90.0
  Fairing 1 .5 0.0 -1.0 0.0
  SERIESBURN 0 sls-Stage2 0.0 0.0 0.7878  0.0 1.0 0.0 
  PAYLOAD Fair1 slsinterstage slsinterstage 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 0.00
END

Code: 
; === Configuration file for vessel class Generic CVEL stage (Jasoncore) ===

Module = Velcro
Meshname = Velcro/EUS
Size = 7.0

Mass = 11854 ; empty mass [kg]
MaxFuel = 107328 ; max fuel mass [kg]
Isp = 140.97       ; fuel specific impulse [m/s]
IspSL = 140.97

MaxMainThrust = 43630
MaxRetroThrust = 0
MaxHoverThrust = 0
MaxAttitudeThrust = 578
COG_OverGround = 4.0
CameraOffset = 0.0 0.0 75.34
CW = .2 .3 .7 .7
LiftFactor = 0.0
CrossSections = 205 205 15
RotResistance = 0.7 0.7 0.3
Touchdownpoints = 0 4.4 59.9  4.4 0 59.9  -4.4 0 59.9

; === Attachment specs ===
BEGIN_ATTACHMENT
C  0.0 0.0 3.228     0 0 1  0 1 0  VELCRO1
C  -1.22 0.0 0.0      0 0 1  1 0 0  VELCRO2
P  0.0 0.0 3.228     0 0 1  0 1 0  VELCRO3
P  -1.22 0.0 0.0      0 0 1  1 0 0  VELCRO4
END_ATTACHMENT


; === Engine reference points ===
ExhaustType = LH2
MEngineRef1 = -1.8 0 61.5
MEngineRef2 = 1.8 0 61.5
MEngineRef3 = 0 1.8 61.5
MEngineRef4 = 0 1.8 61.5

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71242599/ALTAIRSLS1.jpg

---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:11 AM ----------

Close.
What should the isp be?
HTML: 
; === Configuration file for vessel class Generic CVEL stage (Jasoncore) ===

Module = Velcro
Meshname = Velcro/EUS
Size = 7.0

Mass = 11854 ; empty mass [kg]
MaxFuel = 107328 ; max fuel mass [kg]
Isp = 140.97       ; fuel specific impulse [m/s]
IspSL = 140.97

MaxMainThrust = 440000
MaxRetroThrust = 0
MaxHoverThrust = 0
MaxAttitudeThrust = 578
COG_OverGround = 4.0
CameraOffset = 0.0 0.0 15
CW = .2 .3 .7 .7
LiftFactor = 0.0
CrossSections = 205 205 15
RotResistance = 0.7 0.7 0.3
Touchdownpoints = 0 4.4 0  4.4 0 0  -4.4 0 0

; === Attachment specs ===
BEGIN_ATTACHMENT
C  0.0 0.0 3.228     0 0 1  0 1 0  VELCRO1
C  -1.22 0.0 0.0      0 0 1  1 0 0  VELCRO2
P  0.0 0.0 3.228     0 0 1  0 1 0  VELCRO3
P  -1.22 0.0 0.0      0 0 1  1 0 0  VELCRO4
END_ATTACHMENT


; === Engine reference points ===
ExhaustType = LH2
MEngineRef1 = -1.8 0 1
MEngineRef2 = 1.8 0 1
MEngineRef3 = 0 1.8 1
MEngineRef4 = 0 1.8 1
 
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