Em drives

[RisingFury]

It's an excellent example of double standard employed by academia. NIF pumps megawatts of laser power to obtain several joules of fusion energy, but I have yet to see this level of ridicule... Although it would be more justified given the colossal waste of taxpayer's money involved. Also, it has never achieved ignition, it will probably never achieve ignition, yet it was sold to the taxpayer as National Ignition Facility -- but I see nobody claiming that the taxpayer was defrauded.

Let me guess... NIF doesn't work yet, so global warming is a fraud.

 

[kamaz]

They also don't claim that they have just invalidated all known laws of physics.

We've been over that one already -- NASA's (White's) theory of operation does not violate known physics any more than a paddle boat does.

 

[Fabri91]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/quantum_vacuum_virtual_plasma.png

 

[Quick_Nick]

A few days late.

 

[jroly]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1736145169/the-spacecraft-propulsion-breakthrough-of-the-21st

The Static Displacement Field Drive Propulsion System!

The Static Displacement Field Drive is the first spacecraft propulsion device of its type that uses the effects of special relativity on electric fields to generate thrust. We are making this technology available to YOU!

Looks like a similar scam to the emdrive

 

[Urwumpe]

I wonder which kind of force they expect to create by rotating electric charges...

 

[kuddel]

I wonder which kind of force they expect to create by rotating electric charges...

Simple: The "rotating electric charges force"

 

[RisingFury]

Just what Kickstarter needs. Another scam.

 

[kamaz]

Doesn't Kickstarter TOS require that, for technical projects, a prototype must already exist?

(checks website)

It does, but it does not say that the prototype must work

Our internal testing of these devices has been conducted on on custom-built equipment. We are in the process of arranging 3rd party testing at NASA. The risk is that these devices don't work when tested by a third party.

That's... honest.

 

[RisingFury]

That's... honest.

Violating the law of conservation of momentum classically is no different than violating it relativisticly. It's not like there's a wall between relativistic and classical physics. Physics we perceive as classical is just a slow-moving limit of relativistic physics. When you walk down the street, it's relativistic physics that's going on.

The explanation of: "Because relativity, bitches!" is just a load of .

 

[Spacethingy]

They put some serious... spin on that reporting...

 

[kamaz]

Violating the law of conservation of momentum classically is no different than violating it relativisticly.

Sure, but my point is that jroly alleged a scam here. If I tell you, please buy this magic reactionless drive which may not work for you, can you say that you were scammed? Not really.

 

[RisingFury]

Sure, but my point is that jroly alleged a scam here. If I tell you, please buy this magic reactionless drive which may not work for you, can you say that you were scammed? Not really.

It'd be no different than saying: Please buy this iPhone which may not work for you.

They ARE claiming that this is a revolutionary new technology that DOES work. They're claiming it can be used as a rocket propellant or as a quadcopter lift device. They even built a quad copter with their tech. Though... we don't see one flying, do we?

 

[Urwumpe]

It'd be no different than saying: Please buy this iPhone which may not work for you.

They ARE claiming that this is a revolutionary new technology that DOES work. They're claiming it can be used as a rocket propellant or as a quadcopter lift device. They even built a quad copter with their tech. Though... we don't see one flying, do we?

We will not see it flying if somebody tests it, who is not already convinced that it works.

Sounds like religion to me.

 

[boogabooga]

The risk is that these devices don't work when tested by a third party.

Is it still fraud if you don't mention that the chance that these devices don't work when tested by a third party is 100%?

I say yes. It's not a chance, it's a virtual certainty.

 

[fsci123]

It appears that a lot of us may have been disproven... Rumor is that NASA has achieved some results in a vacuum chamber.

I'm still betting it's due to em fluctuations between the "drive" and steel chamber.

 

[RisingFury]

I'm still betting it's due to em fluctuations between the "drive" and steel chamber.

What's an EM fluctuation?

It's when people stick words together in an attempt to sound smart.

 

[Andy44]

What's an EM fluctuation?

It's when people stick words together in an attempt to sound smart.

"Dope-ler Effect": the tendency of dumb ideas to sound smarter when they come at you fast enough...:tiphat:

 

[Face]

Rumor is that NASA has achieved some results in a vacuum chamber.

Is this a rumor you heard by world-of-mouth? Or do you have a link to some source of that rumor?

 

[tl8]

Is this a rumor you heard by world-of-mouth? Or do you have a link to some source of that rumor?

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/

This is the best I have found, everything else is rumor.

I think this is still in 'That is interesting' territory but ever so slowing this is showing promise of actually being legit.