If Palin was a man...

I think I understand you. I do not want to give offence by not responding to your posts, but your translation software produces English that I can barely understand. If you are writing this yourself, then I apologize - your English is far better than my French. In fact, I really know only one French word... merde. You may freely apply that word to me if I have offended you!

Excuse me for interjecting.

As I understood fort's post (and they are sometimes difficult), he thought it worth remarking that, when the French President proposed reducing taxes, a bunch of Frenchmen proposed that they would prefer that he first make sure that all the bills were paid, even if this meant no tax cuts, after all; and isn't that a weird attitude? (irony).



@fort

My response, btw, is that I understand your point, and it is not really weird; there is a similar attitude among many Americans (as I imagine that you would expect). Even so, such an attitude assumes that cutting taxes, means that there will not be enough money to pay the bills (debts, credits). This is not necessarily true; it is quite possible that cutting taxes, will result in more money with which to pay the bills. This has happened several times in recent American history (note even Charlie Gibson stating an example, in the video of post #38, here); in fact, I am unaware of any occasion wherein cutting taxes has not resulted in more money for the government.

Of course, if the government cuts taxes, and so gets more money, but then proceeds to spend even more money than that, then such behavior certainly doesn't help with a problem of how to pay the bills. And that, too, has happened several times in recent American history.

As an analogy, suppose that you are in debt. One day, you decide to stop annoying your boss, so much. As a result, he gets more work done, and the company profits from that. He then gives you a raise in salary: $100 more, per week. So, you proceed to spend $500 more, per week, and you are now in debt, even more than before. So, you conclude that the cause of this, is that you stopped annoying your boss, and that the way to avoid future debt, is to annoy your boss, more.

(Furthermore, seeking to emulate Barack Obama, you tell everybody that you believe in "fairness," and that this means that your boss deserves to be annoyed, whether or not this would actually help to get you out of debt.)
 
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As I understood fort's post (and they are sometimes difficult)..........when the French President proposed reducing taxes

Not the French President. Our actual President, yes. But at that moment, he was in a candidate position (2007 april/may)....

...such an attitude assumes that cutting taxes, means that there will not be enough money to pay the bills (debts, credits). This is not necessarily true.Of course, if the government cuts taxes, and so gets more money, but then proceeds to spend even more money than that...

What i want to say : it's that this "song" (this music which return each day to our ears ) it's not the first time that we ears it. Particularely at the moment of an electoral campaign.

However us, (France) are in debt. And this deficit has not ceased growing, since ten years. Alarming situation... in a certain way.

I have only very small knowledge in economy but I understand this principle, among multiple choices,wich consist for the State to reduce the tax with, in point of view, a restart of the economy and, in return, more money in the budget of the State.

But, as usual, since 2007, new taxes were create, and around ten days ago, the government, once more, has to decide to let grow the deficits. I know, the subprimes crisis...But it was "in the air" since good longer .

I can conceive that nothing is simple.

But this call, that I signed,in 2007, as several tens of thousands of people, was a way, a manner, of saying:" Halt with the demagogy. If it's necessary to maintain, actually, taxes to preserve a correct hospital care, an open teaching for all and of quality... let us maintain them. France is not poor and this has priority."

There are no only misfortunes from the point of view of an economic diminution (decrease ?).

Note :Usonian was right. My syntax was a little erratic when I have write, for the first time, my message, and in spite of my corrections. I have a little modified it thereafter.
 
... back to the original topic: "If Palin were a man."

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions...king_a_bigger_beating_b.html?print=1&page=all

After the vice presidential debate ended, as the TV jurors started delivering their verdicts, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden were joined on stage by their families. Nothing unusual there - except the history-making picture of Palin hugging her 5-month-old son while sharing chitchat with Biden. Freeze the frame and savor its remarkable collection of milestones.
They start with the fact that Palin is only the second woman to be on a major-party national ticket. She is the first who would take office as the mother of five children, the oldest being 19.

Her baby, Trig, has Down syndrome, and her oldest daughter, Bristol, is pregnant and unmarried. They are both firsts, as far as we know, for any major-party nominee. Oh, and her husband, Todd, is part Eskimo.
History doesn't just happen in the 2008 campaign. It is happening in mind-numbing, holy cow, what-next bunches.

The changes are coming so fast we hardly take notice. Is America really going to elect a black President? Two years ago, that was unthinkable. Now it's very likely as Barack Obama has seized the momentum 30 days from the election.

But before we sprain our shoulders patting ourselves on the back for our color-blind, bias-free selves, let's acknowledge that certain prejudices are far from taboo. In fact, in some quarters they are ascendant and celebrated.

I'm thinking of the overt, outrageous prejudice that infuses some of the contempt on the left for Palin. Scrape away the surface excuses and much of it is because she is a Republican. And an anti-abortion one at that. How dare she!

That the bias comes from people we think of as sophisticated makes it disappointing, but not surprising. After all, contempt for Republicans is the only socially acceptable prejudice remaining among many educated people today.

A celebrated retired journalist, a man I've long admired, was surprised when I told him I hadn't decided whom to vote for. "You're too smart to vote for John McCain," he said, thereby insulting 50 million Americans.

A well-to-do, middle-aged professional woman who identifies herself as very liberal casually declared at a recent social gathering that Palin was unqualified to be vice president. "Look at all those children; she would be neglecting them," the woman said, before adding she herself has five grown daughters.

I could hardly contain myself. "How," I managed to say relatively calmly, "would you feel if a man just said what you said?"

"Oh, I didn't mean anything; I was just thinking of the children," she said sheepishly.

Of course she was thinking of the children. And Jimmy the Greek was just talking history when he discussed slavery and black anatomy and Al Campanis was misunderstood when he said blacks lacked the "necessities" to be baseball executives.

Those unmaskings of raw bigotry came on TV 20 years ago. Times change, and so does prejudice. And not all sightings are dramatic.

George W. Bush appointed the first two black secretaries of state, but does anyone on the left regard him as a racial trailblazer? When I raised that question to another liberal, she dismissed the idea, saying Bush "never thought about race."

That exchange took place three years ago, but I still can't grasp her logic. How does she know what Bush thought? Why would it be more important than what he does?

A similar blind spot toward the political "other" explains much of the contempt for Palin. If she were a Democrat, her unusual life would be spun into a compelling narrative that would make her the darling of the coastal elite.

How she's raising that lovely brood of kids, her care for that severely handicapped baby, her relationship with that rugged hubby who often cares for the kids and is part native, her unlikely rise through the political minefields, her tough knocks and gutsy performance on the national stage - all would be testament to a breakthrough of historic proportions we would be ordered to celebrate in the name of diversity and equality.

Yes, I know there are many legitimate reasons to vote against her and McCain. And I am not arguing for a second they should be supported, least of all because of her gender.

But couldn't we all at least acknowledge Palin's moment and what it means for America?

Apparently not. She must lose, the liberal narrative goes, because she is unqualified, case closed.

Some day, we will look back with disgust at the abuse Palin has taken and wonder how it could happen in this great nation, circa 2008.

Spare me. We already know the answer.
Yes, I know, it's from one of those newspapers. But again, just in an attempt to urge those who despise her to at least try to see how that attitude appears from the other side, this piece offers a pretty good glimpse of that other viewpoint.
 
Opinions are opinions. No matter if it comes from NYT or John Doe's blog.
I recall an opinion on a very important US newspaper (can't remember if it was NYT or Washignton Post) that said tha ISS should be sent to orbit the moon...

The only problem is that "less insults" is not equivalent to "good administration".

Insults was typical in Costa Rican campaigns too, but slowly it had been changing.
Now voters are skeptical who need to be convinced, while in USA you still have fans of team colors as if elections were a soccer game.

The problem of electing a president as if it was a soccer game is that emotional fan decisions are far from well thought decisions. In Costa Rica we learned that the hard way some years ago.

After electing president Abel Pacheco, Costa Ricans also learned that charm is not equal to performance. Nowadays charm is not enough to elect a president in Costa Rica. This is good from now on, people want results, so politicians can't be playing games of power anymore. Today they have to work hard and deliver results without excuses.

Something that worries me is the idea of "environmentally friendly" (regarding climate change) that Palin has, that is directly connected to "dig, dig, dig" for oil in Alaska. It is not as clean and carbon free as renewables. Europe goes after renewables.

In Nepal, they already are selling low tech electric cars that work fine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2932152.stm
Just plug to the outlet.

How to use solar cells at home
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7501476.stm

Spanish project on solar energy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6616651.stm
 
Well, in fact, the government mandated such "predatory practices." The Community Reinvestment Act (originally passed in 1977) was given considerable attention by the Clinton administration, which promised rigorous "enforcement" of requirements that lending institutions provide loans to "unserved communities....."

As I have said before, I am not an economist; and as Greg has so helpfully pointed out, I only know what I have been taught (?!?). Last night, 60 Minutes taught me that only about 6% of all mortgages are in default - it is the unregulated markets in derivitives ("side bets") that are the root of the meltdown. These bundled loans were secured with something called "swaps" which were suposed to work like insurance (though not called "insurance" because insurance is regulated). These swaps were put together under extremely arcane mathamatical models cooked up by physicists (?!?) and actually understood by no one. Standard & Poors rated these instruments Investment Grade based, I suppose, largely on faith and on the belief that they were "insured."

This crisis seems to be a Wall Street creation.

My shallow understanding of all this stuff would be a source of personal shame, except for the fact that the "smart" guys who are supposed to understand it are also in the dark.
 
Last night, 60 Minutes [...]

Yeah, I actually saw a guy on C-SPAN, this morning, who also tried to describe all the high-finance stuff, about "swaps," and such. He's going to be testifying to Congress, later today.

Anyway, I recognize that the overall situation is quite complex. I merely reject the proposition that it is a simple matter of unregulated, greedy lenders who were thus free to pursue their own "predatory practices." They were not free; they were under regulatory coercion by the government. And this is how the problem started.

Also, I would suppose that there is a very large number of mortgages, going on in the USA, and that 6% of them, represents an enormous amount of money - which is the point: that enormous amount of money became unaccountable, as it was mixed with other money, in "derivatives," and traded around (here, lack of regulation was perhaps significant, as was the fact that the trading was facilitated by an appearance of lessened risk, due to the fact that traders Fannie and Freddie were "government-sponsored"), with the ultimate result that, because of the unaccountability, large financial institutions eventually became unwilling to involve themselves in the unknown risks (such as the insurance/swaps), and the whole system stopped operating. This cannot be a result of a mere few bad mortgages; it involves a lot of money.
 
Solution to US financial crisis is easy.

Bailout costs $7 billion.
B-2 bomber program used to cost $2.2 billion. See http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/24/us.kosovo.military/

If you cut 3 US military programs that cost $2.2, you have enough money to pay for the bailout without adding extra deficit or adding fiscal load to taxpayers.
Military is a great source of budget cuts to save US economy.
 
Solution to US financial crisis is easy.

Bailout costs $7 billion.
B-2 bomber program used to cost $2.2 billion. See http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/24/us.kosovo.military/

If you cut 3 US military programs that cost $2.2, you have enough money to pay for the bailout without adding extra deficit or adding fiscal load to taxpayers.
Military is a great source of budget cuts to save US economy.

Oh yes, and how are you going to bail out the laid-off workers? Do you believe B-2s come out of a magic hat when you put money in? Military contracts mean jobs, and they are those rare jobs that can't be laid off that easily to raise dividends. The guys who work on them are skilled engineers or workers, and your suggestion would send them straight to MacDonald's. Way to go.
 
More important about the B-2 example is also: The B-2 costs are not only pure production costs, but also R&D costs - it was very expensive developing such modern technologies.

By not modernizing your weapons from time to time, you loose skills and technological advantage. Sun Tzu says: In peace, prepare for war. In war, prepare for peace.

A simple law, if you remember, that the transition both times can happen surprising. If you consider the economic crisis a war, you would now already have to prepare for the time after the crisis - just as much as you should prepare always for the next crisis.
 
From Greg's linked article:

George W. Bush appointed the first two black secretaries of state, but does anyone on the left regard him as a racial trailblazer? When I raised that question to another liberal, she dismissed the idea, saying Bush "never thought about race."

Doesn't "never thinking about race" represent the antithsis of racism?

And isn't it amazing that this sort of "anti-racism" is a somehow inferior attitude to that expressed by Afermative Action and similar initiaves: that it's OK to descriminate against people based on thier race...as long as those people are white. At least in the opinion of the anonomous liberal quoted in the article.
 
More important about the B-2 example is also: The B-2 costs are not only pure production costs, but also R&D costs - it was very expensive developing such modern technologies.

By not modernizing your weapons from time to time, you loose skills and technological advantage. Sun Tzu says: In peace, prepare for war. In war, prepare for peace.

A simple law, if you remember, that the transition both times can happen surprising. If you consider the economic crisis a war, you would now already have to prepare for the time after the crisis - just as much as you should prepare always for the next crisis.

Well, the other option is to let poverty to feed those engineers.
Or how about sending those engineers to the battle front? If they die you will have less salaries to pay, and it will be faster death than starvation of the poor.

Also, downsizing should not be a problem. They must be so specialized that they might easily find a job.

It would be more profitable to cut those military programs to create programs for incubation of companies. You sacrifice a few jobs and then you gain more. In the case of those engineers, you sacrifice a few engineers to save the economy. As for the technological advantage, nowadays US has too many gadgets and not enough money to operate them. So they are useless.

If you have to choose between strategy games, and welfare your citizens, it will be a clear choice between playing chess and patriotism.

A debtor can't afford luxury without having a future bill to pay, a mortgage on his sons, eating today the future of his sons. Military expenses is a luxury. Saving ordinary citizens from poverty is something that requires money, not military expenses that consume taxpayers money that will not be used for health, education, infrastructure in the main land.
 
Well, the other option is to let poverty to feed those engineers.
Or how about sending those engineers to the battle front? If they die you will have less salaries to pay, and it will be faster death than starvation of the poor.

It would be more profitable to cut those military programs to create programs for incubation of companies. You sacrifice a few jobs and then you gain more. In the case of those engineers, you sacrifice a few engineers to save the economy. As for the technological advantage, nowadays US has too many gadgets and not enough money to operate them. So they are useless.

If you have to choose between strategy games, and welfare your citizens, it will be a clear choice between playing chess and patriotism.

A debtor can't afford luxury without having a future bill to pay, a mortgage on his sons, eating today the future of his sons. Military expenses is a luxury. Saving ordinary citizens from poverty is something that requires money, not military expenses that consume taxpayers money that will not be used for health, education, infrastructure in the main land.

Sorry to be the one to point this out to you, but the United States is NOT Costa Rica.

As beautiful as Costa Rica is, comparing our governments is comparing apples & oranges.

So we should just kill off our engineers by sending them to the "battle front" to save their wages and keep them from starving?!!? Should we just execute ALL of the economically disadvantaged to cure the woes of the welfare system while we're at it?

And we should do away with military expenditures because it doesn't promote health, education and the infrastructure? Sorry, the answer is not one at the expense of the other. The answer is balance.

There wouldn't be any health, education or infrastructure worth mentioning without the security to protect them.

Your political views may be just fine for Costa Rica. Thankfully, they'd never fly here.
 
The world might not be in total chaos if the US reduced its defense spending to par with Europe. But it would be a much different place, and certainly not all for the better. Expect to see more influence by Russia, China, Brazil, India and Iran, and more instability and regional conflict in trouble spots and lawless areas.

The US does police the world to some extent. Regardless of whether we should or not. People don't like the police, because they worry an Officer might accuse them wrongly and interfere with their independent rights. Mistakes and misunderstandings happen all the time, but we wouldn't do it if no good came from the effort.

EDIT: Good call by Andy44 in the below post. There certainly is some Machiavellian choices being made. My only defense is that hopefully most of our goals will stay aligned with good, peace and order; unfortunately this has not always been true. The US is not perfect.
 
The US does police the world to some extent. Regardless of whether we should or not. People don't like the police, because they worry an Officer might accuse them wrongly and interfere with their independent rights. Mistakes and misunderstandings happen all the time, but we wouldn't do it if no good came from the effort.

The main difference, of course, being that a policeman acts to uphold the laws of the land to benefit the population as a whole whilst the USA upholds whatever law it feels like to benefit a percentage of the population.
 
OK, say you don't invest in your own military technology, but only buy from others, to still have a standing army. Does that benefit you?

Sure not. You become dependent from others, your technology becomes either quickly obsolete or will be more expensive as buying them from your own companies. In reality, you would be paying the military research of other countries and become a defacto protectorate. And catching up again, after even only a decade without military research is much more expensive as researching through this decade.

Also, there are only little military research projects, which don't have benefits for civilian technology as well. Even the nuclear bomb accelerated technology for nuclear reactors and radiation therapies.

PS: If the USA are the policeman of the world, they are the Chief Wiggum of it. Either they arrive late, or they deal only with criminals, which can't hurt them.
 
The main difference, of course, being that a policeman acts to uphold the laws of the land to benefit the population as a whole whilst the USA upholds whatever law it feels like to benefit a percentage of the population.

Then change the world and make it better. Otherwise this is just fruitless talk.
 
Then change the world and make it better. Otherwise this is just fruitless talk.

Eagle -- surely you realize by now that the notion that America is somehow a force for good in the world is so unfashionable that any mention of it immediately marks you as a fool.
 
There wouldn't be any health, education or infrastructure worth mentioning without the security to protect them.

Your political views may be just fine for Costa Rica. Thankfully, they'd never fly here.

Natural disasters killed more people in the world in the last 50 years than global terror. Cigar has killed more people than wars in 20th century. So if we talk about national security, environmental issues or even smoking should get more budget than the military. The importance of the threat is being exaggerated from my point of view.

If you had engineers earning $100,000 a year, and you had to hire them for one year using $7 billion dollars, you would at most hire 70,000. In September 159,000 jobs were lost in US (about twice that amount).

Would you sacrifice those jobs to save an economy of almost 300 million people in US? Or are those 70,000 people more important than 300 million americans?

I would prefer to sacrifice $7 billion from the military to invest in health, education, company incubators and infrastructure, which is what will make country to grow, and would bring welfare to americans. Instead of making a $2.2 billion in an overhaul to an aircraft carrier, you bet how many teachers you can pay with that money to make american kids more capable of facing challenges of this crisis.

You think about countries. I think about humans. Americans are just like any other guy around me, and therefore I feel that american citizens deserve a chance, just like ay person around me. When you spend your home budget, you may go out and get drunk, or you may like to pay education of your sons. It is a matter of compassion, and a matter of priorities.

Lack of compassion is what I have seen when I had to talk to 2 american kids online to make them change their mind about suicide. They had to trust a stranger (me) to find some support. Kids deserve a better life. Spending like people are doing now in US will consume the future of those kids who will pay the bill.
 
Natural disasters killed more people in the world in the last 50 years than global terror. Cigar has killed more people than wars in 20th century. So if we talk about national security, environmental issues or even smoking should get more budget than the military. The importance of the threat is being exaggerated from my point of view.

If you had engineers earning $100,000 a year, and you had to hire them for one year using $7 billion dollars, you would at most hire 70,000. In September 159,000 jobs were lost in US (about twice that amount).

Would you sacrifice those jobs to save an economy of almost 300 million people in US? Or are those 70,000 people more important than 300 million americans?

I would prefer to sacrifice $7 billion from the military to invest in health, education, company incubators and infrastructure, which is what will make country to grow, and would bring welfare to americans. Instead of making a $2.2 billion in an overhaul to an aircraft carrier, you bet how many teachers you can pay with that money to make american kids more capable of facing challenges of this crisis.

You think about countries. I think about humans. Americans are just like any other guy around me, and therefore I feel that american citizens deserve a chance, just like ay person around me. When you spend your home budget, you may go out and get drunk, or you may like to pay education of your sons. It is a matter of compassion, and a matter of priorities.

Lack of compassion is what I have seen when I had to talk to 2 american kids online to make them change their mind about suicide. Kids deserve a better life.

The problem with this argument is that if 7 billion wasn't spent on defense every year that deaths from terrorism and violence wouldn't go up. Lawlessness results in more deaths and hardship not caused by direct violence. C.F. Somalia in the 90s. The drought wasn't the main cause for famine.

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Eagle -- surely you realize by now that the notion that America is somehow a force for good in the world is so unfashionable that any mention of it immediately marks you as a fool.
The problem is that I care. An unhealthy mindset for the internet.:dry:
But thanks for the pickup! :)
 
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