Project N1-L3 Soviet Lunar Program Development

[Urwumpe]

You are wrong there. The shown large blue panel IS the central panel. the LOK is a twin-seater, remember? The left side seat is replaced by life-support and navigation gear.

 

[4throck]

Ok! Hapy to be making progress, even if by trial and error.

I'll do the correct version when possible. Interesting that the Vizor has a different placement regarding the panel. It's to left.

There's another panel that is shown in some presentations regarding LK and LOK. It's the top right one on this image:

Any clue about it ? I can make out N1-L3 on the caption

 

[Columbia42]

There is definitely going to be a BO VC and although the .dll does not currently support two VCs, it will in the future.

 

[Urwumpe]

Any clue about it ? I can make out N1-L3 on the caption

It says:

Panels for the display of guidance&navigation information

Panel for rendezvous of spacecraft N1-L3 with devices with optical readouts (AKA CRT displays).

Electro-mechanic panel for rendezvous of spacecraft N1-L3 with electro-mechanic devices.

Panel for automatic docking systems with devices with optical readouts

 

[Columbia42]

I've started modeling the BO and SA VCs for the LOK. Here are a few screenshots.

SA window

Looking through the BO cupola window

BO through hatch

BO windows (the LOK model has two so I put two in the VC)

EVA hatch in BO

SA through open hatch

BO cupola

 

[IronRain]

No photo's here

 

[Columbia42]

Sorry. Now the photos should be there.

 

[4throck]

Cool!

I've got this as the LOK panel (part of a larger image with cube faces to cover 360º). I hope it is correct now, at least it looks "real". It is cropped but the general layout is like this:
| Top |
Left | Center | Right
| Botom |

This matches a simple VC mesh composed of cube faces
It works with some careful image re-projection and is easy to manage, specially if we want to add MFDs or simulate the Vizor. It is not a full 3D mesh, but more of a panorama

Columbia, if you are making interior meshes this approach (a VC using cubic projection panorama) won't work.

I can send you the cleaned up panels nevertheless, and then you can place them on your 3D mesh
Good luck there! I really mean it, because I tried that for the 7K-OK never got far. Working with a circular layout without elevations or detailed schematics was too complicated for my skills!

 

[Urwumpe]

Well... the periscope would need to go to the center, the second small panel is very likely on the left side... The right half of the main panel in the SA would be in front of the flight engineer / LK pilot - the commander in the left seat would need the controls of the small box in reach for his activities, especially when flying solo.

(PS: In the Vostok add-on, it was also possible to have the Vzor working in a full VC, maybe you should have a conversation there)

 

[4throck]

LOL OK, then I'll change the arrangement, no problem. Trial and error.
I'll wait for Columbia42 to say whatever approach he prefers, regarding the VC (full 3D or simulated as a panorama).

Nevertheless, here are the cleaned up and geometrically corrected panels, using the images from the PDF. Buttons and text are not 100% readable (and were cloned on some parts), but that can be solved (if needed) by using diagrams from the mentioned PDF.

 

[Columbia42]

Thanks 4throck! The panels and panorama look great! As for the layout of the VC I hope someday to have a fully modeled and functional (I can dream, can't I?:lol 3D VC. For now I'm thinking maybe a panorama of the SA and a 3D model of the BO (It's easier to model and would look cool during the EVA.) While you're at it a cleaned up version of the BO/LK panel would also be great. Thanks!

 

[4throck]

Agreed. It looks simpler from my point of view. The BO is easier to model and more interesting for the N1-L3, because you need to EVA to the LK lander and back. The SA is less interesting in my opinion.

I'll clean up the BO panel when possible.

 

[Columbia42]

About the placement of the seats in the SA, does anyone know whether they're both off to one side of the interior or whether they're centered?

 

[Urwumpe]

Both are off to the right side, the "left seat" position of the original Soyuz capsule contains additional life support and navigation equipment.

 

[4throck]

As Urwumpe explained to me a few posts before, I'd say that we just take the standard 3 seats and remove the left one. It's consistent with the panel extending towards the right seat and periscope placement.

Columbia, how about 2D panels? On this case a simple 2D image overlay, with alpha channel for the periscope might simplify things like camera orientation. Also, we wouldn't have to worry about unknowns like seat color or accurate placement

General layout might be like be something like this, perhaps with the Vizor enlarged for better usability. Any custom messages or the standard MFDs could be displayed over the empty lower left and right parts.

Regarding the panel general layout, I'd say that there's still something missing, probably a CRT display on the left side. I looks too empty. I scaled both parts correctly, so that similar buttons are of similar size. I find it odd that the panels don't have the same vertical size, so definitely we are missing something.

 

[Urwumpe]

I like 3D panels more, especially on a vehicle like Soyuz, that has always its panels spread pretty far over the plane, and in which the placement of the panels makes more sense, when you see them from the eyes of an astronaut.

 

[Columbia42]

I was kind of on a roll this morning so I went ahead and modeled a 3D VC for the SA and BO (the BO is not done yet.) I'll post some screenshots later.

 

[Urwumpe]

Can't await to see it.

 

[Columbia42]

The panels and VZOR:

The cosmonaut in the right seat:

The SA window and the right-hand cosmonaut.

The center-seat cosmonaut's legs and the VZOR/panels (the VZOR isn't done yet)

A view of the BO through the open hatch.

And a badly put together panorama of the VC (I should have taken the shots in fullscreen mode)

 

[boby_nadeau]

Will the panel be functional ?