"Orbiter" made local Fox 21 TV news.

[Urwumpe]

Good luck. I tried sending a message to a journalist about a local article once... nothing happened, not even a reply, ever.

I remember that the last time I wrote a complaint to Spiegel Online, they reacted very quickly to the error, but I also wasn't the only one to notice it.

Especially international news agencies produce many errors in their news, which are copied without further checking by the news papers.

 

[Quick_Nick]

I remember that the last time I wrote a complaint to Spiegel Online, they reacted very quickly to the error, but I also wasn't the only one to notice it.

Especially international news agencies produce many errors in their news, which are copied without further checking by the news papers.

I would say Fox doesn't exactly have a shortage of uncorrected errors.

 

[Urwumpe]

I would say Fox doesn't exactly have a shortage of uncorrected errors.

Yeah, Fox News alone is an uncorrected error. :lol:

 

[Yoda]

Everybody take a deep breath for now !
I've e-mailed Fox 21. The Colorado Springs newspaper and the kid himself to get some clarrification in the matter as well as to give Martin the credit he deserves.
Give it about 24 hours and lets see what happens.

 

[sunshine135]

Yeah, Fox News alone is an uncorrected error. :lol:

LOL. Now qualify that remark. Being in Berlin, you probably see as much of Fox News as I see of German stations. I hate it when people just beat up Fox News because of convenient hearsay or what they see in blogs. I rather believe that the reporting on Fox is the most objective for news reporting. You don't have to like their commentary to appreciate they report news that other outfits in the states fail to report.

Getting back on topic, local news outfits jam every bit they can into a 1 to 2 minute report. The reporter at the end of the segment could have stated that the simulator is available for free online and given credit where it is due. This would have provided much higher credibility and utility for the story. This make me believe this guy took full credit for the entire simulator, and that is not cool at all.

 

[TSPenguin]

This is not the first report/article that fails to mention Orbiters name and that it is free.
If a large news outfit like fox would do that, it would certainly be great!

 

[Keatah]

The reporter says ethan has some more minor programming to do, and other installations. 1:00

..further implying he wrote the software. I hate the press and all it does! They can't get anything right!

 

[bwog]

This is not the first report/article that fails to mention Orbiters name and that it is free.
If a large news outfit like fox would do that, it would certainly be great!

Lots of people who would try it out, and also alot a programmers, so that would mean even more addons.

 

[lennartsmit]

Lots of people who would try it out, and also alot a programmers, so that would mean even more addons.

Also, more idiots on this forum who ask: Where are my guns??

 

[Ark]

I don't see any particularly blatant effort to take credit for anything here. Odds are the reporting team doesn't know anything about anything and only reports on what they see right in front of them.

 

[insanity]

LOL. Now qualify that remark. Being in Berlin, you probably see as much of Fox News as I see of German stations. I hate it when people just beat up Fox News because of convenient hearsay or what they see in blogs. I rather believe that the reporting on Fox is the most objective for news reporting. You don't have to like their commentary to appreciate they report news that other outfits in the states fail to report.

Getting back on topic, local news outfits jam every bit they can into a 1 to 2 minute report. The reporter at the end of the segment could have stated that the simulator is available for free online and given credit where it is due. This would have provided much higher credibility and utility for the story. This make me believe this guy took full credit for the entire simulator, and that is not cool at all.

After living and traveling in Europe, I can safely tell you that even the tabloids there (including Murdoch's trashy one, The Sun) are better news outfits than fox news. While the media, especially in this country, is hung up on concentrating stories into easily digested pieces (like the one about this kid) fox is hung up on distorting the facts to advance a political opinion. Sure, other news organizations like MSNBC do largely the same thing, but no one does it as well as fox. The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't trust a corporation with an agenda (making money, advancing a political belief) to give you the news.

Back on topic, I've been on the news a lot as a young political leader in my community, and I can tell you that often times they push a story that is half-true because a quick local news spot does not have time for nuances. That the kid was obviously playing Orbiter is quite apparent to us, but to a local reporter the difference between programming the control interfaces in a simpit and using a simulator that someone else wrote are not clear. They are not experts in the field of computer programming or simulation, just fools with a camera and a lack of contextual knowledge. Before we massacre the kid for taking credit for work he did not do, we should err on the side of caution.

 

[jedidia]

I kind of remember a very similiar case some years ago...? (guy building simpit, running orbiter and saying he did it all by himself. Just that he actually verbaly stated that he wrote the software himself too).

 

[Ghostrider]

Also, more idiots on this forum who ask: Where are my guns??

In my safe. Where should they be?

 

[Urwumpe]

LOL. Now qualify that remark. Being in Berlin, you probably see as much of Fox News as I see of German stations. I hate it when people just beat up Fox News because of convenient hearsay or what they see in blogs. I rather believe that the reporting on Fox is the most objective for news reporting. You don't have to like their commentary to appreciate they report news that other outfits in the states fail to report.

Actually, I have more problems with the reporting, which often presents opinion and hidden advertisements as facts, than with the opinion swinging, which is annoying, but still harmless for somebody grown up with the Bild tabloid. Honestly: Who listens to commentary in TV? That is the point during the evening news, where you pick your beer from the fridge.

Of course it is hard to get Fox news here. But not impossible, especially if you are at a university, where some people having nothing better to do than watching Fox News for their research.

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I kind of remember a very similiar case some years ago...? (guy building simpit, running orbiter and saying he did it all by himself. Just that he actually verbaly stated that he wrote the software himself too).

Not just any guy, I remember it being related to the X-Prize and taking some "communication" before the claims have been retracted. The guy showed NASSP, and edited the paused indicator to look like his own.

 

[n72.75]

Careful people, we don't want to have to break out the fire extinguisher again.

 

[Ark]

Somehow I think the discussion centered more on the massive piece of hardware he built by himself, and less on the software that it runs. Chill out, guys, it's not like he's prancing around in front of the cameras going "lol check out this sim software I made!!!!"

 

[Peter3210]

Alas we do not live in a perfect world; fortunately Martin has given us the tools needed to leave the world we do have far far behind.

 

[matmat57]

You have to take what you see in the media with a grain of salt. To his credit he did build a home cockpit and get others in his CAP chapter interested in space flight and the simulation we all use and enjoy. My hats off to him for actually doing something I have only dreamed so far! As for programming I imagine there has to be some involved when you interface real switches with the computers and network several computers together. The networking I imagine is so he could use multiple monitors and sync the views among them. That I also imagine would have to require some programming wouldn't it? Agreed it would have been nice if they would have given credit for Orbiter where it was due but like others said they have 1-2 minutes to talk about the story and the main focus was the cockpit not the software. Again my hats off to him. I wish I had the time, money and skills to put together a home cockpit!

 

[eveningsky339]

Heh, I've never been happy with the way things are, say, "filtered" when reported by the media. Especially things near and dear to my heart, such as Orbiter.

 

[unknown_orbiter]

I am actually genuinely offended by that news story not saying a single thing about the actual simulator... why is that? I feel like we have all, from Dr. Schweiger himself to the lowest of the add-on makers, contributed to this simulator and thus feel a close attachment to its expansion through the web and media. So when someone tries to pass off that software as their on, or even just simply neglecting to directly address the origins of the software, I believe that was all have the right to feel offended.