TransX Transx from parking orbit / ISS to Mars

:facepalm:I am such a bonehead! I discovered my error. I was plugging in just the prograde vel. not the total Dv.

Details, details,details!
 
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:facepalm:I am such a bonehead! I discovered my error. I was plugging in just the prograde vel. not the total Dv.

Details, details,details!
that's confusing. if you are trying to set up a maneuver for a prograde burn in stage 1 to overlay and replace the prograde deltav for your eject burn as shown in stage 1 for a plan that is set up in stage 2 then what you said is confusing to me.

---------- Post added 02-03-11 at 07:22 AM ---------- Previous post was 02-02-11 at 09:58 PM ----------

Just thinking about how I used to do just maneuvers in TransX in the first few weeks. Didn't know how to set up plans so I always just did whatever maneuver got me s far to my destination as possible... it's simple but somewhat hit and miss. so with a bit of nostalgia, in a couple of minutes I came up with....

open the stock scenario, dgMk 4 in orbit" in the deltaglider folder.
prograde= 3892.60877755
date= 51982.5631915
may not be the most efficient way but it's not far from it.
 
At this point I am going to digest your earth to mars tuts. I can get wherever I want to go in the solar system, and as I am a returnee (hint: I sent you a CD in the mail), I even have arrived at a trojan as per your trojan tuts and piper's challenge. But, and I have a big but, I am extrmely out of practice, and would like to learn the art of efficiency.
 
At this point I am going to digest your earth to mars tuts. I can get wherever I want to go in the solar system, and as I am a returnee (hint: I sent you a CD in the mail), I even have arrived at a trojan as per your trojan tuts and piper's challenge. But, and I have a big but, I am extrmely out of practice, and would like to learn the art of efficiency.
I've only received one CD and it was from a very considerate fellow orbiter who helped a poor fellow (me) that had no idea how to assemble a stack of ships (titan rocket or similar). thanks! welcome back.:tiphat::cheers:
edit: http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?p=78372&postcount=135
 
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that's confusing. if you are trying to set up a maneuver for a prograde burn in stage 1 to overlay and replace the prograde deltav for your eject burn as shown in stage 1 for a plan that is set up in stage 2 then what you said is confusing to me.

---------- Post added 02-03-11 at 07:22 AM ---------- Previous post was 02-02-11 at 09:58 PM ----------

Just thinking about how I used to do just maneuvers in TransX in the first few weeks. Didn't know how to set up plans so I always just did whatever maneuver got me s far to my destination as possible... it's simple but somewhat hit and miss. so with a bit of nostalgia, in a couple of minutes I came up with....

open the stock scenario, dgMk 4 in orbit" in the deltaglider folder.
prograde= 3892.60877755
date= 51982.5631915
may not be the most efficient way but it's not far from it.

I planned the same way early on - until I watched your videos a few weeks ago. That 51982 date is almost magic. It seems to be a very good date to burn to get to Mars without having to spend 30 minutes creating a plan by tweaking all the parameters.

---------- Post added at 07:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:49 PM ----------

At this point I am going to digest your earth to mars tuts.

Those Mars tutorials taught me a wealth of information about Transx and its workings. As soon as I conquer this "eject from orbit" issue, I'm gonna try some slingshots.

So far with Tranx, I've visited Mars, Venus, Phobos, Deimos, Jupiter and several of its moons, and Saturn and several of its moons. Oh, and Transx is SO much better than sync orbit when trying to intercept the ISS.
 
Finally! Success!

Ok, I finally figured this out. I've spent a lot of hours trying different methods of achieving a trip to other planets while parked in an off-plane orbit, and I found one that works beautifully. Between dealing with work-arounds for Transx bugs and CTD's for various other reasons, this took more time than expected. I've learned that "CTRL-S" is my friend.

Here is the method that seems most accurate and least time consuming:

- Circularize the orbit. I can't stress how important that is to achieving success with this method.
- Create an Escape plan then forward
- Target Mars in stage 2
- Go back to stage 1 and plan the entire trip from there. Here are the steps.

1) Turn maneuver mode on in stage 1
2) Add prograde to get the proposed orbit to extend out to Mars orbit.
3) Next, advance the date, but note the date is very sensitive and does odd things to the proposed orbit based on the time of day you plan to eject. You will have to fine tune this in hyper mode in order to get the orbit correct. For example, if you'll play with the date, you'll see what I mean. The planned orbit will swing around and increase or decrease in size as it does. Certain times of the day will require MUCH more prograde velocity than other times of the day. The best time to leave will be the time that requires the least amount of prograde, and it's easiest to eyeball this as you swing the date around in Hyper mode.
4) Once you have the date set, you will not want to adjust it further. Even at Hyper, it is VERY sensitive. Instead, use combinations of the other three parameters to narrow the distance at Per once at Mars
5) I've found it's best to set the plane change velocity next
6) Then the outward velocity
7) Tweak all the parameters for a close approach and jump over to the target view.
8) Time warp, center the X, and burn.

This method is VERY accurate. I've tried it dozens of times and each time I only need an additional Dv of less than 50 for my mid-course correction. After that correction, which I do about 2/3 of the way there, no further mid-course corrections are needed, unless I screw up, which is always a possibility for me. ;)


Another method I used was very similar to Flytandem's video. I would do the plan in stage 2, input the Dv in maneuver mode in stage one, guesstimate on the overlay with the plan in that stage, and then tweak. The problem with doing this is the axis for the plan in stage 2 is different than in stage 1 due to the off-plane aspect of my orbit. Therefore, I found myself eyeballing the overlay in 3 dimensions instead of two, since I was eyeballing it in the ecliptic view. I tried other views, but those seemed much less accurate due to the off-plane aspect.

One final method I tried which works well involves aligning the plane of the orbit with the plan. Then, the plans overlap exactly as Flytandem explains in his video. However, that defeats the original purpose of my goal, which was to eject without first performing a plane change. But, here goes:

- Set up the plan in stage 2 as Flytandem explains in his videos
- Use the eject orientation function and rotate it until the indicated relative inclination with respect to your current orbit is at its lowest possible value (the alignment burn will require less fuel).
- Note the inclination and the LAN of the plan (not your current orbit) and bring up the Align MFD.
- Click ELS and enter those two numbers.
- Burn anti or normal depending on the node until the relative inclination is 0.
- Go back to stage 1 of the Transx plan and note that the relative inclination between your plan and your orbit should now be 0.
- Then, just as in Flytandem's videos, set up the manuever plan in stage 1 and it will now overlay the stage 2 plan beautifully, just as described in Flytandem's videos.


Now, I'm on to figuring out how to plan a trip to Mars and arrive there in an equatorial orbit without a plane change once I get there. So far, the best I could do was arrive there at a 15 degree inclination. Can anyone tell me the best way to do that?
 
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Yes, set up your plan with the node line halfway to Mars. Use align plane MFD at the node to align to the exact plane of Mars orbit. That would be a two plane eject plan. After you are perfectly aligned then the only parameter you have to adjust at your MCC's is outward vel. Of course before you eject align your eject plane to the ecliptic. That will make the plane change at the node minimal.

I am still concerned with your understanding of transX. The stage 2 targeting of the moon is incorrect. There is no reason ever to target the Moon when going to Mars unless you are slinging off of it. Why aren't you targeting Mars?
 
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I am still concerned with your understanding of transX. The stage 2 targeting of the moon is incorrect. There is no reason ever to target the Moon when going to Mars unless you are slinging off of it. Why aren't you targeting Mars?

Ooops! That was a typo. I've corrected it. :facepalm:
 
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